Talk:Chris Noth

German or Irish descent?
I removed the German-Americans category because I haven't been able to find "how German" he is. I've also heard he's of mostly Irish descent? But I can't find a reliable source. Does anyone know for sure (oh, and by reliable source I mean something like article or interview, not IMDB) Vulturell 03:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I was also wondering about this. Michael 03:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We know his maternal grandmother is 100% Irish. Michael 06:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

At least, he has a German surname.12:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)Ampsivare (talk)

Pronunciation
Someone needs to fix it. It's impossible to understand. Michael 21:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Age
Yahoo.com says he is 50 years old. That doesn't jive with his birthdate, which puts him at 52. How old is he?Ganesh01 04:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

If born in 1954 he is not 56 at this time - 2011. Geez. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.147.208 (talk) 04:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessarily sarcastic
The article states:

"Noth's addition to the series did little to enhance the show's ratings as his episodes routinely scored lower than D'Onofrio's."

The phrasing of this remark is unnecessarily demeaning of Noth. It is not his fault that the superb Vincent D'Onofrio -- who made the character of Detective Bobby Goren both immensely likeable and intriguing -- became physically unable to keep up with the demanding weekly shooting schedule, and as a result Noth was called in as the lead in alternate-week episodes. (I personally look forward especially to the D'Onofrio episodes, on which I am imprinted.)

But Noth, too, is an excellent actor, and it's no reflection on his acting ability that he can't be the person he is coming to the rescue of. The phrasing implies that it is. I strongly suggest that the phrasing be altered so as to avoid the suggestion of blaming Noth for the lower ratings.Daqu (talk) 10:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

update
Someone needs to update the page with the fact that he will no longer be on CI and that Jeff Goldblum is replacing him. --71.13.239.254 (talk) 21:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

poet?
Should the article mention Chris Noth as an actor AND a poet? The article doesn't mention any, nor do I know of any sources on the web to verify whether or not he is known as a poet. If he has been published as a poet, it is one thing. If CN posts a lot poetry on his personal blog and it has a large enough following than I suppose that would be credible enough to include mention on a wikipedia page, as well. However, CN writing poetry in his spare time is not justifiable for inclusion. Lots of people write poetry in their spare time, it doesn't make it noteworthy. If Jodi Foster knitted in her spare time (I'm not claiming she does)should that be included on her wikipedia article? According to the wikipedia notability guidelines:

Treat each aspect with a weight appropriate to its significance to the subject. Attend to anything that may construe undue weight, including depth of detail, quantity of text, prominence of placement, and juxtaposition of statements. Keep in mind that an encyclopedia article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject, not a complete exposition of all possible details.

If we do establish that CN's poetry writing is notable enough to receive attention on this page, it is not what he is primarily known for. Leaving it in the primary description as it is would be like saying that because Bill Clinton could play the Saxophone we should change his page to read : "Bill Clinton, 42 president of the United States and musician."

Even if CN is somewhat known for his poetry, mention of it doesn't not deserve the prominence that it has at the front of the article. He is most well know as an actor on a couple of prominent TV programs.

--Kava bean (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Photo
Can some improve the photo by cropping to a headshot? 76.66.196.85 (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

promotional link
In the section career their seems to be a merely promotional link:

"Noth in 2009 became the spokesperson for Biotherm Homme... (http://www.biothermhomme.com/)" Shouldn't this be removed?

--Lulando (talk) 03:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep. Go ahead. BOVINEBOY 2008 ) 03:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

2010 Comeback
In his Filmography it says that he played Det. Mike Logan on Law and Order: Criminal Intent from 2005-2008 and 2010. Is he once again returning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.107.146.13 (talk) 05:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
Somebody seems deadset in adding a Family Guy reference to the article. I am going to continue to remove it unless someone protests. Pirate Argh!!1! 08:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Why is taking out the Stewie Griffin reference such a big deal to you? I never heard of Chris Noth until then, so he became famous to a wider audience and deserves to be included! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.245.208 (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not a big deal. If it is true that "he became famous to a wider audience" due to being mentioned as an aside on a Family Guy reference then, yes, it needs to be mentioned.  Can you provide any non-anecdotal evidence that this is true?  See this page for the reasonaning   Pirate Argh!!1! 01:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

How can non-anecdotal evidence be provided? As a side note, consider mine a protest against taking the reference out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sovietia (talk • contribs) 16:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
 * A reference from a reliable source, or any source, that this was in any significant to Noth's career. Just because something happened does not make it significant or notable.  Please see this page for the reasoning  Pirate Argh!!1!  04:36, 20 April 2010

(UTC)

Chris Noth himself acknowledged Stewie Griffin carrying a picture of his character in his wallet, so obviously, it is significant to him: http://www.zimbio.com/Chris+Noth/articles/LRT1XmEVSEJ/Q+Chris+Noth+Justice+League+Crisis+Two+Earths
 * I think we need to mention significance to subject if it is notable enough for article. I couldn't find any references for that. Pirate Argh!!1!  05:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that, per the reference cited in supposed documentation of the claim, the Family Guy character does not carry a picture of Noth in his wallet; therefore, the addition is plain and simple vandalism. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In the course of a far from one-sided debate an editor provides good evidence to support his view, a source in which Noth himself states that Stewie Griffin carries a photograph of Mike Logan (a character Noth played) and he is accused of disruption and vandalism? Has anyone around here read WP:AGF? The reference is notable and belongs in the article, search [http://www.classictvquotes.com/quotes/characters/stewie-grif

fin/page_4.html this] page for "Noth". So much for a collegiate approach --Alistair Stevenson (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Adding trivial content back to an article over the objection of the majority of editors who've been involved in the relevant dispute is certainly uncollegial. Adding content to a BLP when the references proposed are contradictory at best is not appropriate. And at the time I made the vandalism content, the only reference provided contradicted the claim it was advanced for; as I said in a different discussion of this dispute, treating a fictional character as the same as the actor who portrays it is never appropriate. Why don't you start following WP:AGF with regard to the editors who disagree with you here, and why do you think your own opinion as to the inclusion of this trivia is privileged over that of the larger number of editors who have opposed its inclusion? Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * On this talk page, two editors have argued for removing the edit, three have argued in favour. At the moment, there is little or no consensus Alistair Stevenson (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Three editors in favor? No. Just because Sovietia edits through IPs except when the article is semiprotected doesn't mean he counts as multiple editors. You're also ignoring the actions of editors who removed the trivia without commenting here, as well as WP:BURDEN. Since you need consensus to include content, particularly for a BLP, and you acknowledge there's none, you shouldn't be edit warring to include it. And you ignore the RS issues again. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The proper source for the mention of Noth on Family Guy is the programme itself, first broadcast November 19 2006, I have added this to the edit but retained Sovietia's source since it seems much more useful. Until every other assertion in the article that is unsourced is removed, this seems more than adequate to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alistair Stevenson (talk • contribs) 22:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Alistair Stevenson said "Until every other assertion in the article that is unsourced is removed, this seems more than adequate to me." This isn't a constructive attitude.  Chris Noth is already pretty famous, so a reference to him in an episode of Family Guy isn't encyclopedic.  This would be different for someone who just barely passes notability criteria.  Family Guy references a dozen people an episode.  Using your logic, I can assert that until every other Family Guy reference from every episode is put into the appropriate article, this one should be removed.  Pirate Argh!!1!  06:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Initially Drunken Pirate said he would remove the mention unless someone protested. Well, three editors have.
 * Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's arguments against inclusion were based around BLP issues and inadequate references. The majority of assertions in the article are unsupported by any sources at all, whereas the edit Sovietia proposes is not contentious from a BLP angle and is supported by two references. Why single out this edit?
 * Drunken Pirate objects on the grounds of notability. The article includes unsourced claims that, at various times, Noth "built himself a log cabin" and "wrote poetry". These claims are apparently notable yet work on Family Guy that Noth himself refers to in an interview about his work in animation is not. Why?
 * I echo the anonymous IP editor above in suggesting that while in North America Noth may be "pretty famous", in much of the rest of the world his most notable quality will precisely be his involvement with Family Guy. Just because some editors dislike animated comedy or regard it as trivial or unworthy of note does not diminish its importance to others.
 * This is a tiny part of an only partially developed article about a minor celebrity and yet Sovetia's inclusion of a non-contentious and notable edit was met with aggressive and uncollegiate name-calling, accusations and intimidation. He responded to this with properly reasoned argument and a strengthening of sources, as I have done. Since argument hasn't worked, I'm not surprised he has resorted to simply reinserting his edit, especially as its removal is currently against the consensus on this talk page. Even if other editors regard Family Guy as beneath their contempt, it just isn't worth this amount of argument over an edit about a non-contentious claim well supported by sources that does not harm the article in any way. --Alistair Stevenson (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Alistair. I could not have said it any better myself! Sovietia (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Err, "uncollegiate name-calling, accusations and intimidation"? "Family Guy as beneath their contempt"? These arguments are not based in reality so I can't really respond to them.  Sovietia/IPs are basically single-purpose accounts trying to add this one fact.  Alistair seems to be trying to provoke an emotional response.  This isn't a personal vendetta I have against Family Guy.  The main contention is your assertion "is most [of Noth's] notable quality will precisely be his involvement with Family Guy"  I think this is absurd.  A successful actor was not made by a one-liner on a cartoon.  This is not disparaging Family Guy.  Again, this isn't personal.  Pirate Argh!!1!  00:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * RE: reversions, I apologize for the reversions, without my reverting Sovietia/his IPs will not respond to this or his own talk page. Pirate Argh!!1!


 * I've gone through all this. I'm another editor  who  supports both Drunken Pirate and Hullaballoo Wolfowitz. The only 'amount' of argument in  this issue seems to  have been penned and prolonged by  one editor.--Kudpung (talk) 02:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Myself AND Alistair Stevenson Sovietia (talk) 10:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll make a deal. I give you my word that I will no longer attempt to restore the Family Guy reference if the Nikolas Schreck page is restored. He is a niche performer from California, known to me who lives in the Northeast, so that should be enough to convince people that he is well-known. Sovietia (talk)


 * These aren't arbitrary decisions. You should read WP:N for what is considered notable enough to have an article.  If the subject fails that criteria, it shouldn't be an article. You might want to read WP:5 and WP:Not to get a better understanding of what Wikipedia is about.  If you have a question not related to this article, you can always ask on my talk page.   Pirate Argh!!1!  05:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

False Information
In the career section, someone noted: "In October 2010; Noth rejoined the cast of Law & Order: Criminal Intent for it's final season.[8] This report is false and the source not credible and is fake.  The reference to this should be removed ASAP.

Xfool92 (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

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Redlink editor treating this as a fan site
Not only does this edit restore fannish, WP:INDISCRIMINATE romantic trivia and a magazine-essay-like, non-encyclopedia WP:TONE, but the redlink editor who appears to be owning this article also restored a host of MOS errors, cite format errors, grammatical errors and more, and removed WP:RS cites for a personal-life claim, thus violating WP:BLP. I would ask other editors to comment on this. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Note: This redlink editor is single-purpose account who has only been editing since January 2020. This newcomer is violating numerous Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I won't edit-war, and I ask other editors to take note. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * These claims are false by an IP address editor. You can see I have edited other articles. WP:RS were used throughout to document and not removed. No WP:BLP. MOS was consulted. MOS:SAMESURNAME for use of Tara. Many sources document comparisons about the actor to his Mr. Big character. Khawue (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * This editor misunderstands the meaning of WP:RS. The passage in question reads: "In 2009, a tabloid reported that in 1995 Johnson filed charges against Noth for abuse allegations similar to those that she was suing another ex for." Noth denied it, nothing came of it, it was a rumor. We don't include rumors. This is a WP:BLP vio.
 * * WP:RS reported abuse claims which were addressed by an official statement from Noth.Khawue (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And once again, regarding the false-alarm that was not a miscarriage: The fact it was reported by Oprah Winfrey doesn't mean it's not WP:INDISCRIMINATE trivia. The fact is, there was no miscarriage. It was a non-event.
 * I addressed this my talk page where you also posted.
 * Complications with first pregnancy were reported on Oprah which is cited and in the media https://people.com/parents/chris-noth-on-h/ and lead to his involvement with widely reported fundraiser for a babies program at a hospital. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2009/02/11/sex-and-the-citys-chris-noth-part-of-star-studded-lineup-for-one-night-live/ Khawue (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Tara Wilson, as she is only ever referred to in this article and in the bulk of mainstream published newspapers and magazines, does not have the last name Noth in general use. Therefore, conversationally calling her "Tara" is an MOS violation.
 * See MOS:SAMESURNAME, she is referred to as Tara L. Wilson Noth as broadwayworld.com ref in the article and all other refs about her play.
 * https://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/article/BROKEN-CODE-BIRD-SWITCHING-Will-Have-Limited-Workshop-Engagement-Through-November-20191112
 * http://www.playbill.com/article/godspell-uncle-vanya-and-3-world-premieres-set-for-berkshire-theatre-groups-2020-summer-season
 * https://www.berkshiretheatregroup.org/event/b-r-o-k-e-n-code-b-i-r-d-switching/
 * https://www.aada.edu/article/alumna-tara-wilson-noth-premieres-new-play-in-los-angeles
 * Khawue (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no citation after this sentence: "Their son, Orion Christopher, was born in January 2008 and is named after the warrior constellation." I had cited this with both a People magazine article and an Instagram post by parent Noth — both of which this editor removed. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * This is false. It clearly says in the Oprah ref two sentences from that sentence: "In January 2008, Chris and actress Tara Wilson welcomed their son, Orion Christopher, into the world. Chris and Tara named their son after the warrior constellation, and Chris says he's already a fighter." WP:REPCITE Khawue (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * In general, the less we add about the intricacies of relationships, the better. We're not a gossip rag, and just because such stuff is sourced--reliably or otherwise--doesn't mean it belongs. I'd suggest the BLP noticeboard for more attention. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 19:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * There is not much relationship intricacies and I can shorten some sentences about that. Which intricacies are you concerned with? I wrote with NPOV from the parties involved in the allegations by Beverley Johnson. Also the context of comparisons to the Big persona mentioned in many references, and the later age that he married and had children which is mentioned in the references. I am okay with having constructive discussion here but not false claims about my edits.Khawue (talk) 20:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * No false claims, as I've documented. You're including tabloid rumors, removing BLP cites, including fannish trivia about some unnamed girl Noth was in love with as a young man, a non-miscarriage and more. You know, I've taken up that third-party editor on his suggestion. Hopefully the BLP noticeboard will bring additional disinterested editors here. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 20:49, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have addressed your false claims above e.g. " tabloid rumors, removing BLP cites." Noth cites the unnamed girl in 1980 as a memory that sticks out and the relationship before Yale as part of his reason for deciding to apply to Yale.Khawue (talk) 21:02, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Newcomer to this article: This entire personal-life section is gossipy unencyclopedic garbage. I don't care how "well" it's sourced. I don't care if somebody drew comparisons somewhere for some reason to this actor and some character he played, or if some article said something about the subject applying to Yale for some reason having to do with some young woman. This is a straw-man argument. This kind of obsessive stalker-fan nonsense isn't the appropriate subject of encyclopedic discourse and I would WP:TNT this entire section. Noth is in the encyclopedia because he played significant roles on well-known TV shows. "[T]he context of comparisons to the Big persona... and the later age that he married and had children" are of zero encyclopedic import. Why in the world is it even notable that any person got married or had children at a certain age?! How does this have to do with his encyclopedic notability as an actor?! This is unencyclopedic horse hockey and needs to go away in the entirety. Find a new project if you think this is worth all this time and effort. Good grief. -  Julietdeltalima   (talk)  21:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There are numerous articles identifying him with the Big character. The age is mentioned in refs about his marriage and the birth of his children. Mentioning the earlier relationships provides context. Khawue (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * See also No personal attacks, WP:Uncivil -Khawue (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * is right. There have been no personal attacks here, but consensus will be clear that this is not appropriate writing for an encyclopedia. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:55, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * These are personal attacks: "obsessive stalker-fan nonsense" and "Find a new project if you think this is worth all this time and effort." Please do not bite the newcomers -Khawue (talk) 22:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * They are pointed critiques of the writing, which you're choosing to interpret as personal attacks. If three experienced editors are in agreement on this, it may be worth listening. My money is on the likelihood that more editors will reach a similar conclusion re: the prose. Biting the newcomers is an excellent guideline, but we trust that newcomers will show willingness to learn to adapt to encyclopedic tone. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 23:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "obsessive stalker-fan nonsense" and "Find a new project if you think this is worth all this time and effort." are certainly WP:Uncivil and uncalled comments. As I said to you above, "I can shorten some sentences about that. Which intricacies are you concerned with?" to open the discussion. I have tried to provide context and also addressed repeatedly made false claims above appropriately and with sources, which was my right to do so. There could have been a constructive discussion about this but that is not how this dispute started today.-Khawue (talk) 23:45, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

It's not about "shortening sentences." It's about sentences that should never be in there at all. All we need to say is, "He had a 3-year [sic; should be "three-year"] relationship[14] with model/actress Beverly Johnson that began in 1992[132] and ended in 1995.[133][134]." That's the plain, straightforward, pertinent fact.

The rest of this is tabloidy rumor-mongering — which absolutely violates BLP — and tangential, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, non-encyclopedic content consisting of public figures cautiously giving fluffy, inconsequential statements. I can't believe Wikipedia contains this: "In January 1996, New York Daily News reported that they broke up a year ago and a story that he used to beat her had surfaced in a supermarket tabloid. Johnson could not be reached for comment.[134] A few months later, Noth said the relationship "gave me some inner knowledge about myself and about people" and "changed my idea about what love is. So even though it was a very painful experience, it was a very enlightening one."[14] In 2009, a tabloid reported that in 1995 Johnson filed charges against Noth for abuse allegations similar to those that she was suing another ex for. Criminal charges were not brought against Noth who stated, "There is no basis to the claims Ms. Johnson made back in 1995."[135] In 2012, when asked if she was once romantically linked with Noth, she replied, "that was many years ago. I can't think back that far. But yes, he was an old boyfriend and a great guy."[136] In July 1994, she only had praise for him, saying "besides being terribly handsome and a brilliant actor, he's terrific with [my daughter] Anasa."[137] There was no abuse mentioned when she wrote about him in her 2017 memoirs.[138]"

--65.78.8.103 (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * shortened revision: "In January 1996, New York Daily News reported that they broke up a year ago and a story that he used to beat her had surfaced in a supermarket tabloid. Johnson could not be reached for comment.[134] A few months later, Noth said the relationship "changed my idea about what love is. So even though it was a very painful experience, it was a very enlightening one."[14] In 2009, a tabloid reported that in 1995 Johnson filed charges against Noth for abuse allegations similar to those that she was suing another ex for. Criminal charges were not brought against Noth who stated, "There is no basis to the claims Ms. Johnson made back in 1995."[135] In 2012, when asked if she was once romantically linked with Noth, she replied, "that was many years ago. I can't think back that far. But yes, he was an old boyfriend and a great guy."[136] In July 1994, she only had praise for him, saying "he's terrific with [my daughter] Anasa."[137] There was no abuse mentioned when she wrote about him in her 2017 memoirs.[138]"

-I think it's pertinent and tangible that New York Daily News tried to contact Johnson about the allegations and Noth's perspective on the relationship. Then his official statement about the abuse claims. -Then her statements in 2012 are pretty clear and concise, and that she did not mention abuse in the 2017 memoirs. It's significant to mention that. -Khawue (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sentence about 2009 revised without mention of the tabloid story, directly from the ref:

In January 1996, New York Daily News reported that they broke up a year ago and a story that he used to beat her had surfaced in a supermarket tabloid. Johnson could not be reached for comment.[134] A few months later, Noth said the relationship "changed my idea about what love is. So even though it was a very painful experience, it was a very enlightening one."[14] In 2009, another ex of Johnson's was suing her for the abuse allegations she made against him and he wanted Noth to testify. Criminal charges were not brought against Noth who stated, "There is no basis to the claims Ms. Johnson made back in 1995."[135] In 2012, when asked if she was once romantically linked with Noth, she replied, "that was many years ago. I can't think back that far. But yes, he was an old boyfriend and a great guy."[136] In July 1994, she only had praise for him, saying "he's terrific with [my daughter] Anasa."[137] There was no abuse mentioned when she wrote about him in her 2017 memoirs.[138]
 * -Khawue (talk) 15:11, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * This is exasperating. What don't you understand about the fact that Wikipedia cannot report rumors that someone beat his girlfriend?--65.78.8.103 (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * He made an official statement denying the abuse claims in 2009 in the midst of the lawsuit by her ex. "There is no basis to the claims Ms. Johnson made back in 1995." It was not just rumors that those claims were made.-Khawue (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted to a previous and non controversial version. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I also agree with 65.78.8.103 and 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 and especially Julietdeltalima - This entire personal-life section is gossipy unencyclopedic garbage. Minor children's names/birthdates/details should be removed, they are not notable. Previous relationships and how long they lasted are not necessary or required. Tabloidy gossip about where he finds it quieter and easier to avoid photographers, while still spending time in New York is not necessary or required. Just because information/details are verifiable, it doesn't guarantee inclusion - Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted...the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is upon those seeking to include disputed content. This amount of detail in the personal life section has been disputed by multiple editor's and should be removed until consensus is achieved for it's inclusion (which seems very unlikely). Isaidnoway (talk)  21:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Significance of the birth complication to the subject that inspired them to name his son Orion:
 * https://toronto.citynews.ca/2009/05/21/sting-sheryl-crow-chris-noth-in-t-o-for-one-night-live-event/
 * Chris Noth knows all too well how scary it can be as a parent when things go wrong with your newborn child.


 * The Sex and the City star and his girlfriend had complications when their son was born 16 months ago ...the experience clearly affected the actor and it’s part of the reason he’s taking part in the second annual One Night Live charity event taking place at the Air Canada Centre on Thursday.


 * The star-studded event features performances by Sheryl Crow, Sting, and the Canadian Tenors. Noth serves as MC for the night, the proceeds of which will go to the Women & Babies Program at Sunnybrook.


 * https://toronto.citynews.ca/2009/02/11/sex-and-the-citys-chris-noth-part-of-star-studded-lineup-for-one-night-live/
 * Sting, Sheryl Crow, and The Canadian Tenors will perform at the second annual One Night Live benefit concert on May 21 at the Air Canada Centre, with the proceeds going toward the Women & Babies Program at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre.


 * “You don’t hear too much about pediatrics or this kind of hospital for pre-term babies being on the front list of benefits or for raising money. Having just had a son who’s a year old and having had complications when we were at the very beginning, I know how scary it is for parents. When you’ve got an institution like this that’s impeccable and first rate, it’s something you want to cherish,” Noth explained.
 * He also visited the patients and staff in the babies program: https://sunnybrook.ca/uploads/SpotlightonWB_March09.pdf
 * The birth and the name are notable events in his life documented by prominent sources as he discussed it on The Oprah Winfrey Show, "one of the highest-rated daytime talk shows in American television history" in 2008 and was picked up by other media.
 * Noth "credits his partner...for saving their baby boy after she was told the child wouldn't live" is noted in the :*Contact Music ref and the other refs. Tara's role in the incident is significant.
 * "where he finds it quieter and easier to avoid photographers" was to explain his move from New York where he initially preferred to live as stated in the Theatre section.
 * I also wondered why the user disputing me include that one past relationship and not the others. It is one of the relationships documented in prominent sources and significant to his life.
 * -Khawue (talk) 21:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Angelina_Jolie has personal details about minor children on the same level here.
 * -Khawue (talk) 22:34, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Fan Article
Just looking over last year's comments from @Julietdeltalima, who is quite right. This article remains essentially a fanpage. It's quite a useful illustration, I think, of how too much un-notable information can obscure the odd important thing. Indeed, it's a standard PR device. The allegations which have emerged against the subject in recent weeks come at the end of an article lots of folks wouldn't have bothered to get to the bottom of. This article really needs serious editing, but I for one can't be bothered with war against fans and PR people. Emmentalist (talk) 09:09, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Whitewash deletion.
Whitewash deletions with no reason articulated as to any specific deletions is not acceptable. This is not a Noth rampage. All of that material is directly sourced to the existing RSS. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Noth&diff=1062976474&oldid=1062958467 --2603:7000:2143:8500:B477:7264:85D6:B0FA (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

"Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that:
 * just in case you didn't see how I responded on the other talk page and it may be helpful then I'll direct you here WP:Biographies of Living Persons


 * 1) is unsourced or poorly sourced;
 * 2) is an original interpretation or analysis of a source, or a synthesis of sources (see also Wikipedia:No original research);
 * 3) relies on self-published sources, unless written by the subject of the BLP (see § Using the subject as a self-published source, above); or
 * 4) relies on sources that fail in some other way to meet verifiability standards."

fwiw i personally agree it was rape but wikipedia just isn't the place that you can write "(a rape, as she said no)" in the middle of a sentence talking about something that is unfolding. It's hardly "not acceptable" and I'm sure there are better ways to go about the edits that you wish to make. I won't undo more of your edits & start warring but I'm certain someone else will do. An allegation is inherently a one sided thing and we cannot say, as the voice of unbiased Wikipedia, that she said no. it's a sorry situation for the women involved and this feels petty, so i'll leave it and hopefully someone else can talk with you or help you improve your edits and sources :) PeterSelIers (talk) 01:04, 1 January 2022 (UTC)