Talk:Christine Sinclair

Gold Boot?
An anonymous editor added uncited information that says Christine won a "Gold Boot" for being the top goalscorer in London 2012, but as far as I know Golden Boots aren't awarded (per se) at the Olympics. I'm tempted to remove the two edits, but thought I would check here before doing so.  PK T (alk)  11:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct, she was simply Top Scorer for the event - there was no hardware/trophy created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.254.254.171 (talk) 13:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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2019 season
It's rather early to add stats from the 2019 Portland Thorns season, isn't it? (2/24 matches at present)...... PK T (alk)  14:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Most players have their stats updated per-match, however, I don't think the season has started. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

"Widely regarded as..."
Hello. I've tried to revise the following sentence: "Widely regarded as Canada's greatest soccer player of all time" and it's been reverted.

The citation for this sentence is one columnist from nine years ago. As per Wikipedia, a column, "typically, but not universally, contains the author's opinion or point of view." If you read the column, the writer is taking an opinionated point of view. This is not an objective source.

Furthermore, I also don't find any other references to her being "Canada's greatest soccer player of all time." I do however find a couple sources that don't even list her as being one of the greatest Canadian soccer players of all time: https://www.90min.com/posts/6402486-canada-day-10-of-the-best-canadian-footballers-of-all-time

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-soccer-players-from-canada/reference (this one is a fan poll, and much more representative of what is considered "widely regarded" by soccer fans than one columnist's opinion from nine years ago.)

I think it would be better to avoid giving anyone the problematic title "greatest of all time". How do you compare a goalie to a striker? Someone who plays Premier League versus someone who plays women's international tournaments? It opens the door for subjectivity.

I propose changing the sentence to say "Canada's greatest female soccer player of all time," which would be much more specific and harder to dispute, or "Regarded by some as ..." because there is not enough evidence to say "widely regarded" is warranted, and more evidence to the contrary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newfoundlandguy (talk • contribs) 00:20, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No. She is not only Canada's greatest female soccer player of all time, she is Canada's greatest soccer player to date. "All time" implies looking into the future and knowing that no greater soccer player would ever exist. Fan polls are unreliable and remarkably biased and the 90min.com entry is by Daniel Freeland who states I am 18 years old, I'm a huge sports fan with my football team being Chelsea F.C." and so far from a reliable source I can't even imagine how that site isn't blacklisted.
 * In short, you have no clue about how to find a reliable source nor how Wikipedia sources things.
 * Try searching: https://www.google.com/search?q="Canada's+greatest+soccer+player"
 * After the big image of Alphonso Davies (who is likely the greatest male player presently) we see
 * https://ccrweb.ca/en/refugee-phenom-inspiring-alphonso-davies-could-be-canadas-greatest-soccer-player-ever about Davies
 * https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/big-read-the-evolution-of-christine-sinclair/ about Sinclair
 * https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/worldcup/christine-sinclair-goals-record-world-cup-1.5160397 about Sinclair
 * A reddit link to the same Davies info linked from the refugee entry above about Davies
 * Another entry pointing to the Davies article
 * A CBC tweet about the Sinclair article
 * https://vancouversun.com/sports/shapovalov-barrett-ruck-canada-teens-spotlight-sports/wcm/a7fe3309-0fe7-4056-b5d2-ae06d947c1dc/ with an embedded link to the Davies article
 * Next ten links: two for Davies and eight for Sinclair
 * Without the quotes, we see your content and https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/article-christine-sinclair-honoured-as-canadas-best-soccer-player-of-the/ about Sinclair officially awarded the for the decade of 2010–2019.
 * In short, there's a bias against women players (take a look at https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-soccer-players-from-canada/reference and click on women for instance) and you'll see that if a journalist includes a woman for consideration, they're ridiculed.
 * No one is suggesting that in a head-to-head test of abilities that Sinclair would outperform Davies or even a less well-known male player, only that compared to peers, Sinclair stands out above all other players. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:23, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "No one is suggesting that in a head-to-head test of abilities that Sinclair would outperform Davies or even a less well-known male player, only that compared to peers, Sinclair stands out above all other players."


 * Then she ISN'T the greatest Canadian soccer player of all time, is she? Thanks for proving my point. If a 12 year old is the greatest 12 year old in her league, we wouldn't say she is the GREATEST Canadian soccer player of all time because she is the Pele of pee-wee soccer. To say she is "widely regarded" is dubious, and that sentence makes this page look like a Sinclair fanboy article. But since you are such an expert on citing sources, perhaps you'd like to cite your sources in the article, to at least give the sentence a shred of credibility, something you should have done a long time ago to avoid this waste of time arguing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newfoundlandguy (talk • contribs) 15:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No,, you're wrong. Sinclair is the greatest of either gender.  She might be surpassed by Davies in 20 years or so, but certainly not yet - he hasn't achieved a scratch of what Sinclair has achieved.  PK  T (alk)  15:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No, she's not the greatest Canadian soccer player of all time, as we do not know what the future holds for us.
 * She certainly has achieved more than any Canadian soccer player to date, and that's what the RS claims as well.
 * It is not the job of Wikipedia to interpret the sources, only to accurately reflect them and do so without making claims with undue weight. WP:STICK? Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Third opinion Howdy hello, , saw this on the Third Opinion board and thought I'd drop my opinion, worth what it is. When I first read this, without looking at the edit, I had assumed that the issue was over if she was the best, or among the best. But I see that its a gender issue, if I have interpreted this edit as the one in question. Looking at the sources, they don't seem to differentiate between gender much, and the sentence already notes that she's among the worlds leading female soccer players. I thinking qualifying her gender doesn't line up with the sources. Now, if you're looking for a compromise wording, perhaps Widely regarded as one of Canada's greatest soccer players of all time could work, since "greatest" is always going to be a bit subjective, and Wikipedia tries to avoid using strong superlatives when possible. I could also see removing "of all time" as a bit redundant, since if shes the greatest Canadian soccer player, it is implied that she is the greatest of all of its history, but I don't think that it is super necessary to change one way or the other. Hope that helps a bit, please ping me in responses. Smooth sailing, CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Best of Portland 2022
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:39, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.wweek.com/promotions/2022/07/13/people-winners/