Talk:Church Universal and Triumphant

Using klfnet.com as a source or link
This site is registered to a private anonymous individual. The website contact email is to a googlegroups account. The main feature of the site is a blog and it links to other sites. The site fails WP:SPS and WP:RS as it is self published with no recognized authority or affiliation and also fails to meet WP:ELNO. It should not be used as a reference or link.—

Opening sentence?
The opening sentence reads: The Church Universal and Triumphant is a New Age new religious movement Ascended Master Teachings religion founded by Mark L. Prophet and Elizabeth Clare Prophet. Could this possibly be correct? Is "New age new religious movement Ascended Master Teachings" an adjective? Surely, at the very, very least, a comma should go in there somewhere, right? Mercy. Phiwum (talk) 20:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Order of topics
It strikes me topics might be put in different order. The history section might typically come earlier, followed by theme sections such as theology. Some of the current topics may be better ordered chronologically, perhaps as subparts of the history section. Phidiaschisel (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Denigrating this Church -- and then nominating it for listing deletion -- is REALLLLY Bad Editorial Practice
Respectfully, the person or people who nominated this listing for deletion either deliberately aims to undermine the organizations discussed here or has so little understanding of Ascended Master theology and "I Am" (spiritual) activity that his or her commentary likely only erodes the efforts of Wikipedia to maintain accurate listings.

Church Universal and Triumphant was established in 1975 by Elizabeth Clare Prophet, who was a world-recognized theologian. Mrs. Prophet met the Pope, lectured extensively around the World, and was considered to be "the Messenger" among St. Germain adherents worldwide. The Church maintains close ties to its sister organization, The Summit Lighthouse; jointly, the organizations own and operate Summit University Press. Both CUT and TSL are bona fide religious organizations, as is The Temple of the Presence, presently operated by Carolyn and Monroe Shearer. "Anointed Representatives" is likely a term of art adopted by the Shearers (or their spiritual colleagues) to attempt to identify their mission as separate from (but co-extensive with) the legacy of Mark and Elizabeth Clare Prophet (the latter is referred to by many in the GWB ["Great White Brotherhood"] as "the Messenger" [or Guru Ma/"Mother"]). Suggesting that these churches are "scams" because they "make money" by publishing books is structurally similar to suggesting that the Catholic Church is a "scam" because it passes a collection plate.


 * my father met the pope, he is not "world recognized" by that fact.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.38.155.134 (talk) 16:45, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

The Summit Lighthouse maintains over 250 religious centers worldwide. The Temple of the Presence appears to have at least one location overseas (France); it owns and operates "C'ouer de Lion" in Tuscon, Arizona. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuruMaHistorian (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Unbalanced POV Tag
There seems to be systematic bias in this article, as though it were written by a member of Church PR. Generally, it reads like it's trying to make the church seem bigger, and more consequential. Every potentially negative statement is followed by qualifiers. Two specific examples:


 * "One author has estimated that the membership peaked at about 10,000 active participants, but sharply declined following a series of crises and controversies in the early to mid-1990s.[5] However, this author seems to have overlooked growth in international membership." Then follow statistics that are 20 or 30 years out of date that are more impressive.
 * Every part of the "Controversy" section has qualifiers; the entire last third of the section is a critique of all criticism. For example, "...had purchased weapons illegally. (The weapons were legal to purchase, but..." (illegal actions are justified)

On top of all this is what says about IP editors being linked to the corporate body of the church. I've added an Unbalanced tag for now, but I would argue for a Systematic Bias tag and some significant rewrites. Smith (talk)  01:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect Citation?
Citation 24 (as of 2 November 2021) links to a paper titled "Obtaining of measles virus haemagglutinin from strain L-16 grown in primary cell cultures". I'm not sure how that ended up on this article. I'd appreciate if someone more experienced than me would take a look. Apologies if this is the wrong place to report this. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.2.110.146 (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)