Talk:Cicely Courtneidge

Her Australian origins
We need to say something about how she came to be born in Sydney. Were her parents just temporarily there? What's the story of why and when she went to the UK? --  Jack of Oz   [your turn]  08:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, it wasn't hard to track this down. Words added.  --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  21:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Changes by Rms125a
Most of the edits made by User:Rms125a@hotmail.com are harmless: otiose, but a matter of personal taste, yet some are deleterious: there is one howler, turning the English "the daughter of the opera singer Cicely Nott", into the American/tabloidese "the daughter of opera singer Cicely Nott", a formation technically known as a preposed appositive, I believe, and one not used in good writing by British authors. This article, naturally enough for a DBE, is in British English, not American. The excessive length of the sentence inflicted by the change is unhelpful to the reader, too. When I write about American subjects I follow American spelling and phrasing (and have my prose checked by an American Wiki-colleague); it would be nice to have a reciprocal courtesy extended by Rms125a@hotmail.com. I have no views on the "Sydney" category, and leave it to others, perhaps JackofOz, to comment. – Tim riley (talk) 17:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Addendum: the addition of italics to all the quotes is wholly contrary to the MoS, and cannot stand. I am reverting at once in view of that dereliction. Tim riley (talk) 17:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Category:People from Sydney was removed as "inaccurate". It's certainly not inaccurate - she was born there.  But since she left there at age 1, her antipodean connection is somewhat tenuous, so I don't object to its removal on that ground.  Interestingly, she was well known Down Here and my parents and grandparents were always very conscious of Courtneidge's having been born here, and sort of claimed her as one of our own.  But then, we're a bit prone to that sort of thing. Merle Oberon was another we were always proud of - until it was revealed she had no Aussie connections whatsoever and had never even visited this country (she eventually did, regrettably).  We didn't have enough Errol Flynns to go around in those days, so we had to improvise.
 * I also am a great hater of the "preposed appositive" (and thanks for the terminology, new to me). It's a cancer we must root out and destroy.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  19:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, Jack. I hasten to say I learnt the term "preposed appositive" from Nikkimaria, here (not my finest hour) and was, and am, grateful for the information. Tim riley (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Just to balance the ledger: Gubby Allen was born in Sydney, but he totally blotted his copybook by going to England and coming back here in 1936, not just as our mortal enemy, but as leader of a squalid gang of ruffians. Well, we showed those barbarians a thing or two about how the game of cricket should be played.  :) --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I reviewed all the recent changes and tweaked. Various small errors were contained in the last edit by Rms, including a mysterious space after a ref tag. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

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