Talk:Cincinnati/Archive 4

Sources for future article expansion
These are obviously well dated but still serve as important sources for details about Cincinnati's status back when it was among the top 10 largest and most prosperous American cities:



Given the origin of most Wiki articles, the EB entries probably need inclusion as the source of material originally cribbed from them. — Llywelyn II   04:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion
These are obviously well dated but still serve as important sources for details about Cincinnati's status back when it was among the top 10 largest and most prosperous American cities:



Given the origin of most Wiki articles, the EB entries probably need inclusion as the source of material originally cribbed from them. — Llywelyn II   04:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

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Transportation in Cincinnati
Several things, is the transit map of Greater Cincinnati open sourced? Also, should the section be updated in general? The Cincinnati Bell Connector is in operation now, along with being still controversial, the operator (SORTA) has a tax levy on the 2017 general election ballot. Tewksbg (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2017 (UTC) Tewksbg (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about the first question, but updates that are cited from reliable sources are always welcome. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Food section
Reads, in part :''Cincinnati customary delights come from traditional food of colonial fare, like baked beans. United States meals feature vegetables, like sweet potatoes, also called yams, collard greens, stewed tomatoes, okra, kale salad, corn bread, mashed potatoes, cole slaw, bean salads, and broths, and traditionally carrots, green beans, mushrooms, spinach, and sweet peas. Fare also connects the City's German heritage. While most of Cincinnati German eats is fare of the States of Prussia and Saxony, where the tristate Germans were from, restaurants also carry schnitzels and in Bavarian cooking.''

This is some really bad writing. Beeblebrox (talk) 09:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Writing? What should be read if your sloppy takeoffs are from Ohio.--Rhapsowflake (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Only a fat slob would edit that out.--Rhapsowflake (talk) 00:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh.... that ain’t helping. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it must just be more of the same tiding neurosis.--Rhapsowflake (talk) 04:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:30, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no sense to believe it doesn't read well compared with other takeoffs. In like, mild, weather where water we knew freezes, life dealt with less neurosis than other species in warmer weather.  You've never been accountable for wrong, or deserve to live somewhere faraway from Cincinnati where people think United States have no fare; neurotic freak, you!--Rhapsowflake (talk) 20:00, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Uh, ok, don’t really know where to begin with that, so I’ve taken it to WP:ANI.
 * Would anyone else like to chime in here, maybe with some civil discourse aimed at improving the article instead of weird, insulting doggerel? Beeblebrox (talk) 21:21, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Beeblebrox, do you write in Microsoft Word and then copy your text here? That's a lot of curly quotes.  I can't imagine a good reason to retain this interesting sentence trio; had you merely left this note here, without removing it, I would have removed it.  I've also tweaked the chili section.  Nyttend (talk) 23:38, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, my ipad started using them by default after the last software update. I should probably figure out how to fix that... Beeblebrox (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I am from Ohio. And ha’s bad about the food, now? Char1disneyfan (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Too many errors to count
For example - the Reds are not in any way the oldest franchise in baseball. The Braves are, by more than 10 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C1:400:D7B0:0:0:0:4 (talk) 10:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the Braves' history site, they were founded on January 20, 1871 . According to the Reds' site, they trace back to the Cincinnati Red Stockings, which were founded on November 6, 1869 . Even the Braves' page states that "the Boston Red Stockings were incorporated by Ivers Whitney Adams with $15,000 and the help of Harry Wright, the "Father of Professional Baseball," who had founded and managed America's first truly professional baseball team, the Cincinnati Red Stockings." If there are other sources that contradict the baseball claims in this article please provide them. Enigmango (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, this article has some incorrect information. Char1disneyfan (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * What is incorrect? This section doesn't provide details for users who may want to help correct errors. Enigmango (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

"populace strife" section
The section itself is fine, but this strikes me as an awkward name for it. That being said I can't seem to come up with a better one at the moment. "Civil unrest" isn't all that much better. Thoughts? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * What about "Race relations"? The section is about race in Cincinnati, and the title would match the "Race relations" title in the History of Cincinnati article . Enigmango (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Refimprove
I don't understand why the refimprove template was removed. While this article contains many citations, much of the content is unsourced and the refimprove template is justified. This is preferable to tagging every instance of unsourced content with a citation needed template.

Comments? Cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Oldsanfelipe. I actually think tagging every instance of unsourced content with a citation needed template would be preferable. That would make it a lot easier to identify and address specific issues, in my opinion. Would you be willing to do this? --MZMcBride (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * MZMcBride: First, my comment above is so wrong. I can now see that someone replaced the refimprove template with the multiple issues template while incorporating refimprove as an issue. My apologies. Second, I normally tag bomb an article *with page needed templates* if I intend to look for the citations myself. See Jesse H. Jones. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Cincinnati to improve the copy of the article. Perhaps I am thinking about this the wrong way and you can offer advice. Thanks, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Edited once by Oldsanfelipe (talk) 13:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

nicknames and pork
Firstly, the list of nicknames in the infobox: “Cincy, The Queen City, The Fountain City, Paris of America, Albyon, Porkopolis, The Nati, The "513” (I just added “Porkopolis”) Cincy, sure, that’s a given. The Queen City is well-established and I believe somewhat official. Porkopolis I was surprised not to see there, and easily found a reference for it(it’s also mentioned in History of Cincinnati). The Nati, I’ve certainly heard. The 513 makes sense if you’re from there. The Fountain City and Albyon, no idea. Never heard either of those before. Paris of America either, but I’m guessing that’s historical or something. I’m looking at what is probably the definitive book on Cincinnati history, Cincinnati, The Queen City published by the Cincinnati Historical Society, and the index has no entry on Albyon, Fountain City, or Paris of America. (It does, however, mention that early settler John Cleves Symmes referred to North Bend as the “Egypt on the Miami” but I think we can let that one pass)

So, I’m thinking the list of nicknames needs trimmed, and these three are the low-hanging fruit of the bunch in my opinion. Further complicating matters is the other missing one: “The city of Seven Hills”. A bit old and not much used anymore except as the name of Seven Hills School but of historical import due to it having a relationship Rome for this very reason. Thoughts? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Update: it has just come to my attention that we have an entire article on this subject at Nicknames of Cincinnati, which repeats “Albyon” but offers no explanation of its meaning. I’m thinking that could maybe be merged here? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

merge Nicknames of Cincinnati?
Per the above section. It’s not a great article and seems to have a bit of original research. Seems like it could be trimmed down and made a section of this article. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m gonna call WP:SILENCE and go ahead and do this when I have the time. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

✅ Beeblebrox (talk) 23:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Information in article different than information in the cited source
According to the article "Cincinnati is also within a single day's drive of two-thirds of the United States populace." However, the cited source states "Cincinnati USA is less than a half-day car ride from 60% of the U.S. population."

I changed the article to reflect the correct information according to the source it was cited, but someone switched it back. I'm not sure why the incorrect information appears in the article. I'm switching it back to the correct information now and if someone wants to change it they should explain why they are citing one source and including different information in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.149.82 (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I imagine it's somewhat to do with semantics, specifically the meaning of "a days' drive." It was scripture when I was a kid that it takes two days to drive to Florida from there. Google tells me the drive to Daytona Beach is 885 miles and would take about thirteen hours. So technically you could drive there in half a day if you were so inclined, but most people won't drive for 13 straight hours and consider 6-8 hours "a day's drive" even if it less than half of an actual day. So I don't really think either statement is wrong. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Timezone?
The addition of the timezone into the info box would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.159.197 (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC)