Talk:Circular wing

Lockheed and Convair
The mention of Lockheed and Convair disks seem all too similar to the Avro efforts, which are well documented. Can anyone provide further evidence of these projects? Or were they simply paper projects based on Frost's work at Avro. 9 March 2005.

Original research tag added
I have added an original research tag because of the claims that military flying saucers 'probably' used an 'emg drive', such a thing does not exist. (it is a claim for something created by aliens not our government, gravity and em fields are unrelated) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.6.194 (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

This is wrong
The whole article is wrong. Firstly ''In most cases the designer chose the disk wing primarily because they liked it, as opposed to any aerodynamic reasons. '' Is wrong because there are very good reasons for saucer shape. Firstly they are invisible to radars. Secondly as they rise they create low air pressure at the top of the saucer and high air pressure at the bottom so there is extra lift. Flying saucers which were designed to be manned were actually being manufactured in a Skoda factory in Prague. So, this article needs lots of work.


 * FYI, this is called the Coanda effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coanda_effect)

--perfectblue 18:13, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Where's YOUR source for YOUR wilder claims ie. invisible to radar and Skoda made UFOs!! LMAO!!

The article is as good as any on this kind of topic and a welcome contribution to the Theory at large. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.43.100 (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Russian flying saucers?
according to this site: http://englishrussia.com/?p=810 the soviets experimented with flying saucers in the 50s. anyone know anything about this worth adding to the article? user:vroman


 * The EKIP aircraft seems to be an interesting design. There were some news about the US Navy picking up the technology from the Russian. I am kind of surprise there is no Wiki article on this UFO airplane.  Kowloonese (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture?
This page could really be improved by a picture. Whursey 07:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Moved from article
A nonmilitary 1930's "Flying Saucer" Since there are no articles on civilian Flying Saucers, this noteworthy aircraft is being mentioned here. In the book: "Airplanes of the World 1490 - 1976", by Douglas Rolfe and Alexis Dawydoff, (1978), 482 pages; on page 195, there is a drawing of an aircraft named "Flying Saucer". It was built between 1934 and 1935 by Miami University and nothing else is written about it. The aircraft has a fuselage with a propeller in front, a tail in the back, two wheels underneath the front, a landing skid under the tail, and a large disc on the top of the plane. There are No wings extending from the middle of the aircraft to give it lift. There are two small wings extending from the tail to give it control. All of the aircraft in the book are represented by drawings.

Seemed a shame to just delete this, but it sounds like a mistake. --Guinnog 13:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have a copy of the book "Airplanes of the World 1490 -1976" by Douglas Rolfe and Alexis Dawydoff, published in 1978 by Simon and Schuster, New York. On page 195 there is a drawing of an aircraft entitled "Flying Saucer" and the sentence: "This unusual-looking airplane was built by Miami University." According to the book, it was made between 1934 and 1935. It is not a mistake, although, the plane looks more like an AWACS vehicle with a disc on top and no wings extending from the middle of aircraft, and not a circular shape tradional 'flying saucer'. On page 272, the book shows a drawing of the Chance Vought 173, and a drawing of the CV XF5U-1 "Flying Flapjack"; and on page 349, they have a drawing of the Avro VZ-9V Avrocar, (which led to the British SRN-1 air-cushion, hovercraft). Three tradional shaped 'flying saucers'.24.195.246.174 01:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

Merge?
This article contains very little information, and most of what it does contain is false. Can we merge it to another one? --Guinnog 18:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's just delete it. Start over. -76.17.236.181 (talk) 06:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. This page is supposed to detail those few genuine and documented aircraft that were made of ordinary materials and propelled by engines similar to those of winged aircraft or helicopters. The reasons why they aren't heard of anymore are that they didn't fly as well, or have as good stealth characteristics, as aircraft with more commonplace wings. (Must I repeat: the USAF spent thousands of millions on the stealth program –- if saucers had stealth characteristics, the B-2 and F-117 would be saucers.) The fantasies are supposed to go elsewhere. -- [Used to be Sobolewski] 64.69.127.105 (talk) 22:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The B-2 Spirit stealth bomber is derived from the German/American flying wings of the the 1930's, 1940's and 1950's. It took a lot of money, a great many computers, excellent pilot training, many decades of advances in technology, and a lot of secrecy to make the flying wing a front-line bomber. I doubt if the flying wing will ever be a passenger plane as Jack Northop had wanted, (as shown in a short film). The idea that there could be secret disc-shaped aircraft flying today without the general public's knowledge is a very real possibility. The disc-shaped aircraft could be expensive, require computers, outstanding pilots, have excellent stealth capability, have great speed, and outstanding ability to manuever. The USA doesn't want Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, or some other hostile nation to build an aircraft that could threaten us or our allies. The US government doesn't tell the world about every military weapon they are working on. Other countries could also be working on circular-winged aircraft that they are keeping secret. Considering all the aircraft types that have been built and taken to the skies since Orville and Wilbur Wright built and flew the Wright Flyer in 1903, (with an engine designed and built by mechanic Charles Taylor), the disc-shaped, saucer-wing aircraft is just another design that has been taged with a science-fiction label, because it doesn't look like the typical t-shaped plane. To quote a spokesperson for the US Air Force in 1991: "With the technology they have today, they could make a plane shaped like the Statue of Liberty fly if they wanted to." U.S. News and World Reports got it right in 1950, when they wrote that flying saucers are aircraft from the planet Earth.03:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Bennett Turk

UFO Inspired Military Flying Saucers
There is a considerably amount of literature that could evince the existence of covert projects to replicate the performance of flying saucers. That material should have been cited in this article. Tcisco 19:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Change of article title
The title must be change in "Disc shaped aircraft" becouse not only military model was projected and patented. --Abyssadventurer (talk) 18:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abyssadventurer (talk • contribs) 18:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Speculation as fact?
I think as it stands, this article does not meet reasonable standards of verifiability and is presenting speculation as fact. Consider the first sentence:

"The development of military disc-shaped aircraft apparently dates back to World War II. Since most of the information is highly classified, many details are uncertain."

I think this sums up the problem with this article. The whole thing is based around either (a) Aircraft that flew, but weren't actually 'disc-shaped' (the Sack AS-6, the Nemeth Umbrella Plane and the Vought Flapjack), (b) didn't successfully fly (the Avrocar, which never got out of ground effect), or (c) are undocumented, and pure speculation, dressed up with claims about being 'classified'. To sum up, there is no evidence that any 'military disc-shaped aircraft' have ever existed - unless 'disc-shaped' is taken to mean 'having a roundish lifting surface but not actually being circular'.

Incidentally, the discussion of the Vought Flapjack's aerodynamics is nonsensical. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Deleted 'British Rail flying saucer' image
I've deleted this, as it isn't a 'military disc-shaped aircraft'. There is nothing to suggest this design ever had a military purpose (if it had a purpose at all, beyond hoaxing people). It is supposedly a spacecraft not an aircraft in any case. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

BUTTER BALL BILL FROM S1914 DID THIS BIT!
Y'all need the Haunebu! A Nazi X-plane from WWII. I believe they developed it in an underground fort in some Polish mountains where many other Nazi forts were linked by a series of tunnels. Where the Haunebu is thought to be is sealed off from when the Nazi's were leaving and destroying the facility. There is also a place above/near the fort where it is thought to be tested. I got more in my brain so I will make an account and stick this in the actual article.

BBB 28/4/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.22.217 (talk) 20:39, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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