Talk:Citizens Rule Book

Question of POV and Unsubstantiated Claims
This article of the book too strongly implies that everything the book says is true. Rather than saying that the book "asserts" something to be true, the article says the book "explains" this or that "fact", which leads to a supposition of accuracy on the part of the book. However none of these assertions are supported with outside evidence or sources.

I should like to edit this article in future to reflect a more unbiased point of view. By this I mean, making it clear what the book argues and using verbs that show that this is the author's or authors' view, not necessarily established fact.

Finally, comments about the "rising popularity" of the book, should be supported by statistics or omitted. Is this book/handbook even need to be on Wikipedia? How popular is it? It has no author nor publisher given. 208.103.143.9 17:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)Mark


 * I agree. We need 3rd-party sources for this article. If they aren't available then that's a sign that it isn't notable enough for an article. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 20:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I couldn't take it any more. I edited it, along the lines suggested above. If you think I went too far (or not far enough), please change it. Morandir (talk) 16:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Expert needed
This article, as it stands, is rather uninformative about the actual nature of the Citizens Rule Book. A legal expert is needed to evaluate the claims it makes, or, rather, explain what the current status of jurisprudence is about these claims. A lay reader coming to this article would currently get the impression that these claims are based in actual law, or even true, and it seems likely (given, e.g., Kent Hovind's endorsement) that this is a fringe prublication. siafu (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on this subject. I'm a pre-bar recent JD graduate. I encountered some of this stuff during law school. This appears to be part of the "Freemen on the Land" movement (of which Terry Nichols was apparently a member), also known as the "Sovereign Citizen" movement, or the "Common Law" movement. There are many different forms, groups, etc loosely connected by common themes (the Income Tax is unconstitutional, or the US Government has been operating illegally since the 19th Century).

There are two documents that are interesting on this topic. One is Bernard Susskind's "Idiot Legal Arguments" at http://archive.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp, the other is a Canadian appeals court opinion that exhaustively details some of the actions of these people and provides a lexicon of sorts: http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/2003-/qb/Family/2012/2012abqb0571ed1.pdf.

I don't know if I've done any of this right, it's the first time I've edited a Wikipedia page.Grayaj23 (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)grayaj23Grayaj23 (talk) 21:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)2013/06/27

Oh, I left out the important part: From my very cursory reading of the Citizens Rule Book, and from the link to Bernard Susskind's article, it's pretty clear that the rulebooks "rules" are BS, and dangerous. In many courts, making any reference to the gold fringe on the flag, or the illegality of the 16th amendment, will bring sanctions. Grayaj23 (talk) 22:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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