Talk:Clause

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The dog ran through the yard. Subject: The dog Predicate: ran through Object: the yard

? -- JeLuF

Not the way I was taught in school: (by my mom)

The dog | ran through the yard. (subject) (predicate=all the rest)

You might analyze "to run through" as a phrasal verb, in which case "the yard" would indeed be the object of the verb, but it's still only a part of the predicate. --Brion

These are two different notions of 'predicate'. The traditional, Aristotelian view of the sentence had a subject/predicate division, where the predicate is basically everything but the subject. Modern logic, following Frege, has a predicate/argument distinction. With this distinction, the verb ("run through" here) would be the predicate, and the subject and object would be its arguments. --Chris 20:45, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * "Modern logicians" aside, grammarians are not flexible in their use of the term. "Predicate" does not mean the same thing as "verb."  The predicate of a sentence includes the verb and everything that comes after it.  Brion was correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.58.241.222 (talk • contribs).

from: rachelle anne why is tit call clause? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.140.222 (talk) 12:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Article is really horribly bad
The entire "Clause" page is really horribly bad, far from usual Wikipedia standard. I know I should fix things rather than just complaining, but it's mind-boggling that there are so many versions of this page and it's still such a lousy page. 213.89.144.38 01:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten almost the entirety of the article to be, well, less bad. If there's something wrong in the new version, or something missing from it, please be bold! —RuakhTALK 20:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

it was raining so heavily that there was no assembly is the group of words 'that there was no assembly' a phrase or a clause. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meeramenon890 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC) lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.157.67 (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Current revision underway
I am currently significantly revising and expanding this article. The critical comments above were/are accurate. The article as it now stands, apparently even after one major revision, does not provide a helpful overview of the wide variety of clause types. It does not make it clear what the difference between a clause and a phrase is. It does not provide examples that would help the reader build his/her own understanding of clauses. The revision I am currently drafting can be visited here. I will post the revised version in a couple of days (unless someone objects). --Tjo3ya (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC      — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.157.67 (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Information about clauses in other languages
This article only has information about clauses in the English language. It might be useful to discuss the differences in sentence structure among different languages. Jarble (talk) 03:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There are 6,000 other languages. Space is a consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by White373737 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Keep All Languages and Grammar Syntax SEPARATE
DO NOT include language and grammar and syntax from different languages on the same page. SEPARATE it so that people can learn each properly!

Preposition or proposition
I think in the opening paragraph where it says “In grammar, a clause is the smallest grammatical unit that can express a complete proposition.[1]” it should be ‘preposition’ and link to the article about prepositions. I’m new to Wikipedia and linguistics so I do not feel confident making this change without someone more knowledgeable verifying this. Eenpee (talk) 11:36, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, maybe disregard this as I think preposition is something else, and that proposition is correct. Sorry if I wasted anyone’s time by reading this. Eenpee (talk) 11:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Replying you after a long time, hope you have understood for now, but if you're still in perplexity you may visit Preposition and postposition and Proposition. Sultan Abdul sultan (talk) 11:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Phrase and clause
Dear Sir Phrase and clause are the products of modern grammar. They are not there in your understanding power. You can't express them. You had better if you read Leech, Quirk, Greenbaum etc. But you don't like them because your mind is full of rubbish-like tits and bits that you call generative grammar or transformational grammar. Better if you stop writing here this rubbish. Birbal Kumawat (talk) 19:10, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Clause in other languages
Why don't we move it to a new page titled "Clause(English)" ? This would make things clear. Jose Liu (talk) 08:00, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Pro- vs. pre
IMHO, the first sentence of the article is speaking of proposition, where preposition would be the correct term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Keuken (talk • contribs) 04:36, 15 September 2018 (UTC)


 * No, proposition is correct here. Preposition are a special class of word for expressing some kinds of relations. A proposition is a basic statement. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 05:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Very rough explanation of clause
Dear, I am very sorry to say that your whole material about cause is ambiguous enough to mislead the reader. Clause is just such a sentence part that is connected to a single verb phrase. By this definition each and every point related to a clause can be well explained. Finite or non-finite, a clause has always the same theory. You have a false theory of verb phrase and therefore you can't clarify a clause. Your small clause is just a foolish attemption. You call the main clause a matrix clause. It's your folly. You refer to Chomskey's phrase structure Grammar without knowing that it is not a full-fledged grammar. Whatever Chomschy says is write only because he is Chomeskey. Please come out of the fallacy of authority and stop making the world foolish. Your this matter is not as per the standard of Wikipedia. Birbal Kumawat (talk) 00:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's not get histrionic. It's hardly true that the "whole material about clause" is ambiguous." Perhaps the majority is ambiguous and misleading, but not the whole. --Kent Dominic·(talk) 03:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Clause
A clause is a group of words(or possibly a single word)that functions in the syntax of a sentence,a single unit within a grammatic hiecharhy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LolaKorner (talk • contribs) 07:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

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