Talk:Clique Girlz

Voices/Album
Plus guys get they're album called "NOT TOO YOUNG" coming out JULY 22, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.189.84 (talk • contribs)  01:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Opening for Demi Lovato
There was some debate about whether the Clique Girls opened for Demi Lovato. They are listed here as "opening for Demi Lovato" 27 June 2008 at Six Flags Great Adventure (NJ). By contrast, they were "performing with Demi Lovato" 8 June at Six Flags Over Georgia. —C.Fred (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Last Names
ok we need to make the page have the girlz last names, and each one should have their own page, Agreed?

-(Mini no ipod (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC))


 * The girls should not have individual pages. They are not notable (at this time) outside the context of the group. —C.Fred (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the last names are mentioned in the intro. Since two of them share a last name, it's easier to use first names for all the later references. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

we should give them thier own article! it would make wikipedia better! and it would be good cuz then say you were looking for where Paris was born, so you search "Paris" since you don't know here last name and you get too much stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mini no ipod (talk • contribs) 15:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They are not notable enough for their own articles. As for the search issue, that's why "Paris Monroe" is the more effective search term. (Her full name is mentioned in the infobox, so a search on it should lead to this article.) —C.Fred (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

the Clique Girlz are often compared to the Royal Girlz, which consists of Marra, Emily, and Carina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.106.12 (talk) 16:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But who are the Royal Girlz? If they aren't notable themselves, there's no need to mention them in this article. Further, who's making the comparisons? —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

"self-proclaimed manager" is the manager
this article references Lenore Monroe as the "self-proclaimed manager" when she is their official manager. Can we please remove the "self-proclaimed" part to Lenore Monroe is the Clique Girlz'manager?

here is a source that refers to her as their manager: http://www.whatteenswant.com/whatteens/info/agenda.jsp


 * That site doesn't look like a reliable source, so the info should stay the same until a better source can be found. Edgehead  5150  03:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I work with Interscope Records and am interested in correcting a few inaccuracies in this entry... I'm new to wikipedia, could you give me an example of what source would qualify as reliable? They are a new group and don't have a TON of published material on them. --Margottt (talk) 01:53, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:Reliable sources has the content guidelines for reliable sources. Note that verifiability is important, so if the content isn't published, it may not pass muster for inclusion. —C.Fred (talk) 01:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

How the girls met is inaccurate - according to their interview on Good Morning America Now - http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6364026 -(Destinee and Ariel met at a water fountain at school, discovered they were both singers and became close friends. ) Destinee and Ariel met at the water fountain at school and realized they were both singers and became friends. --Margottt (talk) 02:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The Girls' Symbols
In their Good Morning America NOW interview (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6364026) The girls talk about their symbols. Paris says that her symbol is a crown which she loves as a fashion statement. While Ariel says that she always likes to draw hearts.

Arial Moore has left the group
"After a four year run with the Clique Girlz, Ariel Moore has decided to leave the group and their management. Over the next few weeks more details are bound to come out, although initially it looks as if she’s looking to do something new. So what does the future hold? Ariel will be pursuing a solo career, writing and recording with some of the best in the business as well as experimenting with her sound. As for the Clique Girlz debut release Incredible, we’ll just have to wait and see?"

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=2245

Credible, established relationship with this act.

http://tommy2.net/content/hotlinecliquegirlz.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * do you have a reliable source for this info? A Blog from Tommy2.net doesn't seem reliable. -- Edgehead  5150  10:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

That site is considered a blog, but rarely do blogs have relationships with the people they write about (audio interviews). You should probably do a little more research. Here's a few credible references via google...

Y-Pulse: Youth marketing to teens, tweens & Generation Y (Gen Y) - Daily news & commentary http://www.ypulse.com/ypulse-essentials-spongebob-turns-10-gen-z-on-the-horizon-riaa-drops-john-doe-cases/

Boston Globe: Includes reference to website http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2008/11/08/the_next_girl_most_likey_to/?page=2

MTV - Buzzworthy (Linked / Blog Roll) http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/

AOL - Be Red (Teen Site) http://www.bered.com/

Ashley Tisdale - Interview Links http://ashleytisdale.com/interviewsn.asp

This is also interesting... the day before there was a picture posted of her brother. I didn't even know she had one? http://tommy2.net/content/?p=2244 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 22:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The boston.com story—which does nothing to support Moore leaving the group—calls tommy2 a "tween website" in a trivial mention of it. (Although it does quote an editor.) Neither a glowing nor damning reference about the site. —C.Fred (talk) 23:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

C.Fred... what's your credit? Atleast this guys got one. I think I'll trust a staff writer over at the Boston Globe to have done their research over a wiki volunteer. Why would a journalist interview someone unless they thought what they had was important to the story?

While your at it why don't head on over to Google News and type in Clique Girlz. http://idolator.com/5142036/the-clique-girlz-sugary-sisterhood-might-be-turning-a-bit-sour —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 08:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 66.41.116.107 the website you listed used a blog for it's info, and as we all know blogs are not reliable sources. So until the group confirms that she's leaving or a reliable source can be found, she is still a member of the group. Edgehead  5150  09:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * is this video BY Ariel Moore proof enough? Here Ariel is directly saying she left the group!

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roMYmJCToQ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.149.25.194 (talk) 05:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is exactly the proof that we needed. Something from her saying that she left the group. I updated a few things on the page after watching the video, but don't know what we should do with Ariel's section in the page.  Edgehead  5150  08:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"as we all know blogs are not reliable sources" Edgehead... who's got egg on their face now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 03:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not me, First, blogs are usually NOT reliable sources on Wikipedia as it clearly states here. Second, the proof came from a video of HER not from the blog. Third, SIGN your posts. -- Edgehead  5150  04:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Did you just change your statement? Yes. By making the statement "Blogs are usually NOT reliable sources" your are confirming that in this story it WAS a reliable source. A full week before Ariel spoke on YouTube it was document and timestamped right here. If someone makes a claim and it's verified they get the credit, that's how it works - regardless of if you think their credible or not. Typically people call a press conference or post a video to neutralize a situation that is already out there (such as Ariel). All she did was confirm a story. This is where Wikipedia contradicts basic Journalism... you shouldn't take the liberty to rewrite history and take it away from the people that break stories. Not only was the story right, but where else has that press release popped up?

Please note this is not the first time and recognized journalist have previously given credit. (notice the date - over 5 years ago)

Jeremy Mhire leaves Plus One http://cmcentral.com/news/1304.html

Libby Hodges leaves Jump5 (source prior to Press Release) http://cmcentral.com/news/1857.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No the blog wasn't a reliable source. You can think that blog was the reliable source all you want, but fact is nothing about her leaving was added until she made that video. So the way i see it the wikipdedia community agreed with me that the blog wasn't reliable. Edgehead  5150  08:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Further, Wikipedia isn't exactly journalism. For breaking stories, there's Wikinews. As an encyclopedia, WIkipedia errs on the side of verified facts over breaking news and questionable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 17:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

C.Fred - nice try to save your buddy from trapping himself. What is questionable about the source. How about a fact (and the words "it's just a blog" won't work. The blanket statement 'all blogs are unreliable' has already been countered). Have you seen anything questionable?

As for Edgehead5150, the original post here was a copy-and-paste right from the link at Tommy2.Net and timestamped on January 25th.

http://tommy2.net/content/?p=2245

Please check the records on this page again, they are all documented and happened prior to the video you are suggesting "broke the news". Not only that, but your false testimony can be disproved by Google as well. Your dishonesty in this should be condemned by your superiors. All of the links below occurred before the video you are saying "broke the news"

Clique Girlz Media Fan Site - January 24th http://cliquegirlzmedia.blogspot.com/2009/01/ariel-moore-leaving-clique-girlz.html

PopDirt.com - January 25th http://popdirt.com/ariel-moore-reportedly-exits-clique-girlz/71402/

Idolator.com - January 29th http://idolator.com/5142036/the-clique-girlz-sugary-sisterhood-might-be-turning-a-bit-sour

and another 'shady' site referenced the story yesterday and sourced Tommy2.Net yet again...

http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2009/02/02/bonus-buzz-bites-222009-why-teen-queen-demi-lovato-sez-she-feels-bad-for-miley/

It's never too late to realize you're in the minority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 05:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes the blog was the fist to report the news, but the video of her is more reliable, which is why we used it and not the blog for the source. And i never said that the video of her "broke the news". So lets just forget it already. --  Edgehead  5150  05:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

New member?
The gossip sites are awash today with speculation of who the new member is. However, remember that Wikipedia articles must be verifiable, and tabloids and gossip sites are not reliable sources. Only once a reliable source reports on the new member can it be included in the article—and the source must be cited in the addition. —C.Fred (talk) 12:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I found a source for the new member and have re-added her to the current members section on the infobox. I didn't add any info about her to the "Current Members" section of the article because i couldn't find any info about her. -- Frehley  Space Ace 13:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's the Clique Girlz and Sara Diamond in their first interview together. http://www.tommy2.net/content/intcliquegirlz.php --76.164.9.242 (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC) they uploaded a video with her on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqp8Dp-tgb0&feature=haxa_popt00ca11 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.57.133 (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sara Diamond
It looks like Sara has left the group. Sara has been removed from all the groups sites and the "Meet The Girls" section of their website now reads: "Destinee and Paris Monroe make up the pop-rock teen sensation Clique Girlz". So i've moved all of Sara's info to the former members sections. — Frehley Space Ace 21:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comments
''These have been moved here from a subpage as part of a cleanup process. See Discontinuation of comments subpages.''

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Split Clique Girlz into a separate article?
The content of this article was moved here when Clique Girlz evolved into Destinee & Paris. Does the history of the group as Clique Girlz warrant a separate article? It seems just as efficient to have it all here. —C.Fred (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

The Clique Girlz and Destinee & Paris should be separate articles. They are two completely different projects. I think mentioning that Destinee & Paris were a part of the Clique Girlz would be fine, but not having it all in one page. Each group was signed on two completely different record deals, making them two separate projects. Each project should be respected as two separate projects, because they are. (Crowdsurftn (talk) 16:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC))

Yes, it seems like it should be two separate wiki entries. They both deserve their own wiki pages Jasmith1990 (talk) 04:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * If Clique Girlz has a separate article, though, can Destinee & Paris stand on its own as an article? Clique Girlz meets WP:BAND, but I don't see where Destinee & Paris does. —C.Fred (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The Destinee & Paris song, "I'm On A Roll," from the official soundtrack to the Disney movie, "Despicable Me," fulfills item #10 from WP:BAND, "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc." Crowdsurftn (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's even worse that this article reads like a promotional piece for them and not an encyclopedia article. —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

How come everybody keeps redirecting my Destinee & Paris page to the Clique Girlz? I just don't get it. I had reliable sources, I had information about them and their music, why??????!! Iluvselenagomez1234 (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the earlier deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Destinee & Paris. - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Article Issues
Several additional references were added, for a total of 12. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmith1990 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Half of the sources aren't independent: they're the group's MySpace page, label bio, Amazon product listing, etc. The remainder are all passing references or just photos. I do not see substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 14:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed the "notability guideline for music" warning. This is definitely a real group. They have a single on the "Despicable Me" movie soundtrack and they are listed on interscope's website - which both are listed as references. Amazon product listing is a valid source, you can't fake a product on Amazon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmith1990 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I am in the process of cleaning up the article and providing the references - in accordance with Wikipedia standards. Have removed some of the "promotional" language. Jasmith1990 (talk) 18:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Who wrote this thing?
This article is incredibly poorly written. Reading it, it sounds as if it might have been written by a promoter or something like that. While obviously I can't prove that, the fact remains that the grammar and the wording of this article need great improvement. Some examples:

"...The name of the group was changed to Clique Girlz due to there was already a group called "Clique" On March 28, 2008..." [poor sentence structure, also note missing period]

"Though she has a thick passion for cooking, she is a vegetarian." [thick?]

"Her favorite singer is Mika, and her favorite Power Puff girl is Bubbles.[21] and she also plays the piano. [3]" ''[What relevance does this have? Also, "and she also plays the piano" is a fragment, and not capitalized in any event.]''

"Her symbol is a star because when she was little she had something in her eye and her mom said it was a star." [incredibly poorly worded and, again, relevance?]

I would have made the necessary changes myself, but the article is full of them, and frankly, updating the article of a fifth-rate cookie-cutter teen-pop girl group for grammar isn't worth my Wikipedia editing time. I just wanted to put this out there.

136.183.64.153 (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Split Destinee & Paris?
See Talk:Destinee & Paris. They're opening for Britney Spears on an international tour and starting to get some coverage. Any objections if the D&P content is moved to a separate article? —C.Fred (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Destinee & Paris is now unprotected; expect the split to start over the weekend. —C.Fred (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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