Talk:College rowing in the United States

Intro
I couldn't think of anything to write for an intro paragraph, any help would be much appreciated. Alex Krupp 06:56, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

missing Olympic championships
To my (only partially informed) knowledge, there have been two gold medals awarded to US college rowing. One to the University of Washington men's heavyweight eight, and another the Harvard's men's heavyweight eight. It seems to me that these are worthy of being included in the list of notable events in college rowing history. ww 18:00, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Moved content from main article to discussion
Results don't really belong in the main article. Perhaps they could be incorporated into NCAA Rowing Championship or else a similar article could be created. However, the content seems like it could be useful somewhere so I have pasted it below for now:

The first women’s collegiate championship was held in 1980 at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. National champions were declared from the varsity eight race. California won the first collegiate championship. Below is a list of Women’s National Collegiate varsity eight champions from 1980-1982:
 * 1980 University of California
 * 1981 Washington
 * 1982 Washington

Prior to 1980, college boats entered the National Women’s Rowing Association National Championships (what is now the USRowing National Championships). Below is a list of NWRA open eights champions from 1971-1979 (no eights prior to 1971). The top college finisher is in parentheses:
 * 1971 – Vesper (top college Washington)
 * 1972 – College BC (top college Washington)
 * 1973 – Radcliffe College
 * 1974 – Vesper (top college Radcliffe)
 * 1975 – University of Wisconsin
 * 1976 – College BC (top college Wisconsin)
 * 1977 – Vesper (top college Wisconsin)
 * 1978 – Burnaby BC (top college Wisconsin)
 * 1979 – Burnaby BC (top college Yale)

Follow-up
Added Olympic History -- it's good stuff. There has also been some really competitive Olympic trials. The 1948 semis btw Cal and Washington (won by 1/10th second by Cal), and the 1968 finals won by Harvard over Penn by 5/100th of a second, which don't really fit. Maybe an Olympic Trials catagory?

set up an historical catagory for the Women's NCAA

Added various catagories to explain the competitive events.

Added to and cleaned up the National Championship stuff.
 * Universally good changes. I don't really think the Olympic trials belong in Wikipedia even if it's in a seperate article. It would be better to create a seperate rowing wiki and host it on a private site. This article is pushing the limits of encyclopedicness enough as is. Alex Krupp 15:20, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

ECAC
There is a distinction between the ECAC invitational regatta, which does not allow Division I varsity teams, and the ECAC Metro League championship, which involves almost exclusively DI varsity teams (Buffalo, Colgate, Marist, UMass, URI, etc.) - of course, some of these schools have varsity women's crews while the men are club, adding to the confusion.

The ECAC invitational and ECAC Metro championship have occured on the same weekend in the past, but do so no longer, and are separate. ECAC runs numerous regattas, including the Eastern Sprints, so just because two events have "ECAC" in their name does not make them the same competition.

Someone more familiar with the Metro League should take a crack at clarifying and expanding this brief section.

college rowing association (1875-1876)
There was some college rowing association in the United States, perhaps entirely in the Northeast in 1875 and 1876, at least. Evidently, Harvard & Yale dropped out for 1876. Princeton issued a challenge to Harvard & Yale while remaining in.


 * "While Princeton proposes to stick by the college rowing association, it offers a crew with which it challenges Yale and Harvard to row an 8-oared race, with coxswains, four miles straightaway, between the 1st and 15th of June, the course to be agreed upon hereafter." --Springfield Republican 1876-01-01, page 5

Springfield was the Connecticut River site of the Harvard-Yale Regatta at about that time. The principal college rowing association regatta may have been held there too. In the Letters (same day, page 7), a Yale man disputes that Yale nefariously induced Harvard to drop out. And he writes, "One of Yale's reasons for withdrawing was, that the regatta was becoming public property, and was losing its distinctive characteristic, of being purely a students' enterprise" --like the Harvard-Yale at that time, I infer. --P64 23:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Seven years later. Last month I learned more about this and wrote some of it concerning 1871-76 into Harvard-Yale Regatta, mainly Notes a-g.
 * Our articles College rowing (this one) and Intercollegiate Rowing Association (championship regatta from 1895) remain silent on the early history but see Rowing Association of American Colleges (from 1870) and Poughkeepsie Regatta (early 1890s tidbits) as well as Harvard-Yale Regatta.
 * --P64 (talk) 17:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Why the move?
I see that the article has today been moved from College rowing (United States) to College rowing. I don't see any obvious signs of discussion of any such proposed move. Was this discussed elsewhere? The current content seems to reflect its former title. Is is planned to rewrite the article to reflect a global scope, or should it be moved back to its previous title? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * In the absence of any explanation, I've moved it back to the original title. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Split conferences section?
What would people think of a proposal to split the conferences section to be its own article? RJFJR (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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