Talk:Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations

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The name 'Rhode Island' comes from 'Roodt Eylandt', a name given to the area dy a dutch sea captain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.150.95 (talk) 20:33, 8 March 2005 (UTC)

Roger Williams was run out of Massachusetts to Rhode Island for espousing religious and political freedom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.173.211.67 (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Reeks of historical fiction
"...Prior to which people, including George Washington had to detour around it when heading north or south from New England." sounds very much like it belongs in "Lies your American history teacher told you." Does anyone have a source for this? jengod 23:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Map of territorial claims
The following off-site maps show the various claims of the original Thirteen Colonies:, , , and. If this information could be included in a map of this province's claims, it would be great. (This request was originally made by jengod, and I moved it here.) – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 16:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've removed this request, as far as I can tell, apart from minor adjustments, Rhode Island's boundaries have always been what they are today. Kmusser 17:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Only Jews in colonial America?
I believe there was a community of Sephardic Jews in New York who had settled there when it was New Amsterdam ... --Jfruh (talk) 15:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

13 Colonies Box
I would be great to have that box at the bottom like other colonies' pages do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.191.229 (talk) 01:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Aquidneck Island = Rhode Island?
I thought the original Rhode Island part of the state is Aquidneck Island, not Block Island. This is the state's largest island that includes the cities of Newport, Portsmouth, and Middletown. In the town hall of either Middletown or Portsmouth, there's a photo of Aquidneck Island with the caption, "The Island of Rhode Island -- The Rest is Providence Plantations." --Tasfourohone 12:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, rewrote it
I deleted most of the unsourced material, if I couldn't find any authoritative source. Gave a brief account of the history of the colony, with a few sources. Could do with a little more.User:MarginalNote 22:39 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Not Baptist, strictly speaking
Reverted description of Roger Williams from "Baptist" back to "independent". Although always sympathetic to the the Baptists, and strongly supportive of their rights, he only briefly joined a Baptist congregation late in life, before quickly reverting back to his independence. Other than this, he was not a member of any church. He considered none of the churches of his time to be the authentic original church founded by Christ. There are more details in (for example) Roger Williams: The Church and the State by Edmund S. Morgan (Paperback - May 28, 1997). MarginalNote (talk) 08:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Gallery of pictures
An editor has tried to place an otherwise attractive gallery of pictures of famed RI-ers in the article. These are in violation of WP:NOTIMAGE. The reason (if one is needed for policy) is that they tend to detract from the rest of the article. No one is going to wade through them. A reader will never make it to the end of the article. An occasional picture can help an article. A gallery tends to overwhelm it. Student7 (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The gallery of historically relevant individuals is not in violation of any rule. Policies always require reasons.  The opinion that these images with helpful links to relevant articles is a "distraction" is precisely that: a subjective opinion.  Has Student7 conducted any empirical analysis to determine whether any "reader" is going to "wade through" that relevant content?  The discrete population of individuals interested in colonial Rhode Island history is likely to be very interested in reviewing that content.  Rather than deleting content that is relevant to users interested in this historical period, Student7 could add - if sufficiently knowledgeable and industrious - to the sections of this article in need of further enrichment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy Houston (talk • contribs) 03:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree with Student 7. The gallery lacks any sense of proportion with the article and fails WP:NOTIMAGE. Please do not reinsert until there is consenssu for it here. I suspect that day will not come. Novaseminary (talk) 03:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Novaseminary (talk) apparently has biases against northern Baptists due to an agenda he or she has recently been waging concerning the Southern Baptist Convention article. His or her objective appears to be to block the donation of time and content by more knowledgeable experts seeking to create wider historical awareness of the 17th century colonial era origins of the SBC in Rhode Island and at First Baptist Church in America in Providence. The SBC was not created until the Baptist schism of the mid-19th century under William Bullein Johnson approximately a full 200 years following the creation of the predominantly Baptist colony of Rhode Island. He or she is clearly uninformed concerning the relevant history and has vandalized this article in order to advance his or her partisan agenda of censorship of relevant substantive content. If Novaseminary (talk) wishes to improve her or his knowledge on this subject, he or she is certainly welcome to ADD relevant, substantive textual content to this historically important article if he or she sincerely has legitimate subjective concerns regarding the balance between graphical and textual content. Please cease your vandalism of this article. Prior to recent article vandalism by Novaseminary (talk), this article clearly met the requirements of WP:NOTIMAGE. All vandalizing edits to this article by Novaseminary (talk), which clearly do not seek to improve knowledge of the history of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, should be reversed.Sammy Houston (talk) 04:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Please use four tildes when entering comments.
 * Please refrain from WP:ATTACKing other editors. Please WP:AGF. Student7 (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Improving the content of the article on the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations
As equally displayed in the improper attempts (see discussion pages and AFD discussion) by Novaseminary (talk) to delete content in the British America article - a historical subject of which Novaseminary (talk) demonstrated she or he knows very little - Novaseminary (talk) has vandalized and butchered this article concerning an important colony in British America in efforts to impose her or his subjective understanding of article style and appearance rather than working to improve the article by contributing verifiably accurate and relevant content as well as supporting references. As demonstrated by available historical evidence, the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations played a historically important role in the foundation of religious freedom in the United States and in British America and the Americas more broadly. Thomas Jefferson and/or James Madison recognized the King Charles II charter for the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations as an important source of inspiration for the freedom of religion protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constiution. (See http://www.hamptonbaptist.com/history.html and http://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/ri04.asp and http://www.fivefreedoms.org/5freedoms/timeline and http://www.projo.com/news/content/EB_NEWPORT_CLARKE_9_07-09-08_79AQ117_v22.4122344.html and http://johnclarkesociety.org/JCS/ClarkeWatterson.htm and http://www.constitution.org/bcp/religlib.htm and http://www.w3r-us.org/history/library/documents.htm and http://www.fac.org/about.aspx?item=First_Amendment_timeline and http://pluralism.org/resources/slideshow/thumbs.php?show=mcgonigle&shownumber=&from=1&to=25 ) The historical leaders in the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (religious, political, and business), their sequence in and influence on history from the establishment of the colony and territory through the present, key British rulers (colonial governors, monarchs and aristocratic patrons) are all essential to improving historical understanding and knowledge of the development of the Colony of Rhode Island through a well developed article supported by reliable existing literature. The emergence of the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations as the first American colony to declare independence from the British Empire, its consistent development as a haven first for members of the Baptist Christian denomination (from which the Southern Baptist Convention derived hundreds of years later in the mid-19th century) and, later, as a sanctuary for religious freedom more generally for disfavored Quakers, Jews and other persecuted religious minorities paralleled the colony's role as a capital for colonial era trans-Atlantic commerce at Newport and in Providence. All of this task of improving the article requires significant development of both content and supporting references rather than frivolous and abusive deletion of content which other editors have contributed to the development of this article through generous donations of their time and expertise. As noted by the heading placed at the top of the article by another editor, the article needs supporting references and development, not deletion of verifiably accurate and relevant content by editors who are not interested in or knowledgeable about this subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy Houston (talk • contribs) 21:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Relevant WikiProjects in April 2011
This article's improvement can be greatly enhanced by contributors to the Wiki Projects who have substantive knowledge of constitutional law and history (King Charles II of England charter; Madison or Jefferson cited the King Charles II charter as inspiring the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution), Jewish history (Sephardi Jews, Jewish history in Colonial America, Persecution of Jews, Aaron Lopez, Touro Synagogue, etc.), Liberalism (development of religious freedom), Conservatism (Massachusetts Puritan resistance to Baptist efforts to disturb the local religious and political order; Charles II's decision to assert executive authority by granting the charter for Rhode Island out of his desire to support Roman Catholics following the execution of his father King Charles I of England), Libertarianism (the Charles II charter's call to leave people free to do as they please in matters of "religious concernments" is a core principle of libertarian philosophy), and Law (the King Charles II charter had full force of law until the mid-1800s in Rhode Island, well after independence from the British Empire; the succession of executive leaders of the territory, colony and state of Rhode Island show a chain of legal continuity) for the reasons presented in (1) the website links provided above and (2) in the article content improperly deleted by Novaseminary and viewable in pre-vandalism versions of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy Houston (talk • contribs) 01:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * How long will the article be restricted to further editing? Can we help in the discussion needed to unrestrict it? DonaldRichardSands (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

C/Mid
Because of content deficiencies that have been discussed above, this article is demoted to C class within WikiProject United States. Its importance is reclassified as Mid. Lagrange613 (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Article Vandalism Has Stunted the Development of this Article
Wikipedia Is Losing Contributors By Leslie Horn August 4, 2011 05:03pm EST http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390484,00.asp


 * Wales says one of the problems is the editing process is too complicated, and Wikipedia's staff is scrambling to simplify the platform to hang onto its contributors, all of which write for the nonprofit site on a volunteer basis.

"A lot of [the editing process] is convoluted," he added. "A lot of editorial guidelines… are impenetrable to new users."

Relevant, verified content was inappropriately deleted from this article and has not only not been restored, but the article's development has been frozen.

Sammy Houston (talk) 03:45, 5 August 2011


 * It has not been frozen. You are free to restore whatever content you think should be. Go ahead. Pfly (talk) 08:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If new editors will check the edits of the complaining editor (who did not sign the post), they may better understand the situation. Student7 (talk) 13:06, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If new editors will check the quality and relevance of content deleted by those who have vandalized this article as well as the apparent agenda of one of the editors who has abused his editorial authority in relation to objective accounting of the role of Baptists in the history of the Colony of Rhode Island and the establishment of the freedom of religion in the United States, they will have a better sense of whether donating their time to the development of this article is worth their time. The notion that a volunteer contributor should take valuable time to enhance an article through content development concerning relevant individuals, places and events, observe that content deleted for partisan or frivolous reasons and then be expected to donate further time arguing about why the inappropriate deletion of enriching content should be reversed or, alternatively, be asked to take more time to restore the relevant content is fanciful at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammy Houston (talk • contribs) 04:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

needs a map.
needs a map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

plantation etymology citation added
Added citation for the citation needed tag by the line about the etymology about plantation in the full title of rhode island along with a citation for when the charter (or in this case patent) was granted. I pulled it from an american lit textbook but the textbook has sections of exact text from John Winthorp's "The journal of John Winthrop" which is partially where this citation comes from---however the footnotes include in the textbook provide important clarity for the citation so i'm not sure how to cite a text that's citing another text, if something is incorrect about this citation please fix it rather than deleting it. thanks

--Tunafizzle (talk) 01:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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