Talk:Comic Relief Does Fame Academy

Song table Proposal

 * The following discussion is an archived outcome of a survey for the proposition outlined below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made at the lower sections of this discussion page.  No further edits should be made to this survey.  

By Peteb16 15:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Proposal: I'd like to propose the following table as a replacement for the current growing list. Rationale: By the final the list will become too big for the article and messy to look at.


 * Proposed songs table

Updated 23:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC) Peteb16
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Survey

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 * Support. Far neater. However I would question whether this level of detail is actually appropriate to an encyclopedia. Keithmall 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral I'm not sure if I like it or not, I think I'd prefer something along the lines of The X Factor articles rather than the Big Brother articles, but then again Support this does work, and different colours can be added to show who was saved by the teachers judges and who was saved by the students. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 18:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Obviously suggestions for improvement to the table are very welcome. Peteb16 19:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't think it'll work because when there's less contestants, they'll probably sing multiple songs and duets, as they have done in the past. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 21:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, I'm not fully versed on the format of the show yet. However, As it's possible to split columns and rows, do you believe it'd be possible to adapt the table, or perhaps start a seperate one at the point they begin to alter the show? Peteb16 22:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Support. Compared to the existing seasons, it's starting to look really messy with the list at the moment. Agree with AbenibeProjectors that different colours for students saved and teachers saved might be better. Timclare (talk) (sign here)  14:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, would it not make sense to just have the table (as proposed) placed on a seperate page for "song choices" or similar title as to not clutter up the main page, where there would be just a brief round-up (as with other series). Timclare (talk) (sign here)  16:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We may as well split the article so there's article for the 2007 show. Lets deal with this first however. Peteb16 20:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * CommentI was thinking three extra rows at the bottom would fulfill this, entitled Public Vote, Teacher Vote, Student Vote. I'm confused however as last night I saw the judges instead of the teachers voting. Peteb16 16:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the judges who vote, not the teachers, I made a mistake in thinking that the judges were called "teachers" in Fame Academy. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 16:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. It is good and compact.Lizzie Harrison 19:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This clearly so much better than whats in the article now. Don't wait for any more support - just do it. Keithmall 18:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I would, however I'm concerned the insanely complicated table design (which needs tweaking almost everytime you add something) would stop people contributing. I'm going to wait until the end of the contest. Peteb16 14:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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Song table (series 2)
Just to give an idea what a completed table might look like. I don't have all the information so if anyone could fill it in that would be really good (also I haven't checked that all the links are correcet). Also I prefer my way of doing the end bit about who was saved and expelled to the proposal above, although I like the colours.


 * Dawn and Reggie had the same number of votes each from the Students so it went back to the public vote.


 * All the students returned for the vote

As you can see, when they start singing in groups and doing duets and singing multiple songs, it gets a bit crowded! &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, racking my brian now, there's got to be a way to resolve this. Peteb16 18:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a way to put a line in a box, that would work, but I can't figure it out. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can do lines, not sure if it'll help, but it's worth a try. Peteb16 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

As you can see, when they start singing in groups and doing duets and singing multiple songs, it gets a bit crowded! &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 17:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, racking my brian now, there's got to be a way to resolve this. Peteb16 18:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a way to put a line in a box, that would work, but I can't figure it out. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I can do lines, not sure if it'll help, but it's worth a try. Peteb16 18:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put a line in one box (Edith, day 5) to see how it would look. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put a couple more lines in boxes. :D Peteb16 19:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, you've done it differently! That works... so let's do that! If we can fill in the rest of the information for the series 2 table then we can add it to the article... and I think we should definitely put the series 3 box in the article (using my final three columns?). &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 19:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comments on the colours? Peteb16 20:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What do they mean, exactly? &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( talk ) 20:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing really, I just did it to show up the group songs and pair up the duets. I'm not sure I've got the best colours for the job however Peteb16 22:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it makes it clearer to see who was in the same group/duet, I think only two colours are needed, one for each song performed on each day. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors  ( zomg! ) 23:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Better? 06:00, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Name Change
The official title of the program is "Comic Relief does Fame Academy" as is stated clearly on the official BBC Fame Academy website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy). Although it is capitalized elsewhere, the page should still be placed at "does" instead of "Does". It has already been moved once, can anyone help move back? Timclare (talk) (sign here)  16:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it should have a lower case d. Comic Relief and Fame Academy are two separate entities, and the "does" links them, and is rightly on the website written with a lower case letter. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 17:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter that they happen to use a lower case letter on their website. Lots of TV shows, albums, songs, films, etc, use capital letters where Wikipedia does not, and vice versa. This now goes against Wikipedia's manual of style and naming conventions. And having one person agree with you doesn't mean you should go ahead and make changes. That's not what consensus means. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 21:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please provide a link to where it says there can't be a lower case "does" in the title. As far as I can see, Wikipedia aims to provide correct factual information; and the correct name has a lower case letter. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 01:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, on the CRDFA website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy) it currently says "Tara is your winner of Comic Relief Does Fame Academy 2007!" So there. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 14:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * However, the page header has a lower case "d", as does this page... it's a fair mix, I'll grant you that, but I think with a lower case "d" it makes more sense, as they're two separate things... but either way is fine... I'm still interested as to where it says about the capital letter in WP:MOS though! :P -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 14:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I can't find the specific page but words like in, on, at, of, the, a, an, etc, should be lower case in articles about TV shows, songs, albums, films, books, etc. Does isn't one of those words. &mdash; AnemoneProjectors (zomg!) 19:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Comic Relief does Fame Academy
Early next year sees the return of Comic Relief does Fame Academy. Very exciting stuff and should be set for a few laughs. Not sure as yet who our victims, sorry, students will be. A Candela (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody have any information about the show returning for Comic Relief 2011?--Cooly123 19:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)