Talk:Comparison of VoIP software

prevalence, spread
of a service would be interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.133.14.76 (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Unincluded VoIP Software
There are other VoIP products not listed on this page that should be listed. Also, Vocoso Channeler was removed without any real reason specified so putting it back. (Edit: Okay, I see the reason, but the reason for the other being removed was invalid. So, I am putting it back and then putting the original article back in place that should have never been removed.)  Simply because a product is new does not mean it is not notable. Look at Windows 7, for example. The product has not been released, but it is considered notable already. This product has been released as a comparable service to TeamSpeak and is more notable than many other products on the list. It also uses IAX which is poorly unrepresented. Freebytes (talk) 19:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We generally do not include things on lists (which are meant to be navigation aids) when they don't have articles, so I removed it again. - MrOllie (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I came here to see Bria by counterpath and compare it with zoiper, but neither are listed, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.171.227.171 (talk) 12:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

resiprocate
The resiprocate stack was deleted as non-notable, despite it being the library on which X-lite is based (along with a fair amount of server software out there). Here is an incomplete page of companies that use the resiprocate project: link I had considered writing a stand-alone article for resiprocate, but I decided that just maintaining an entry in the table would provide all the relevant information in a more convenient format. --Docfaraday (talk) 07:45, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Cisco Unified Call Manager
I think that the Cisco UCM should definetly be included as server software, since it is one of the most pervasive Enterprise IP PBX platforms. The Cisco IP Communicator is on the list of softphones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.8.3.42 (talk) 13:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC) As the article Cisco Unified Communications Manager exists and the product is notable, feel free to include it! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 15:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

The page does not answer important questions
This protocol details are good etc but I'm afraid most people have no idea what are those about. It would be great if someone would make a table like this: are subscription to the service (if needed) + software free? does one need to setup a server or are there free (and reliable) public servers? what other features, like chat and file transfer, included? does it support call to/from landline and mobile phones? etc.

Would someone be able to add a "Number of Registered Users" - this would keep the topic active and give a vital piece of information on trends. General numbers is all that is required, like Windows Live Messenger 8.5 - 24 million (source [Microsoft Live Messenger]. Thanks. Mikef1957 (talk) 11:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess there is an important misunderstanding. WP is no service page but an encyclopedia! For your requested infos thee are lots of pages in the net.--Kgfleischmann (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Then why compare at all? List of VoIP Software is more accurate to say than comparison if you don't care to improve this article.  Personally, if this IS a comparison page, it should be based on a software basis (License, Platforms, Manufacturer) as well as communications details: Duplex type (half/full), Codecs, Methods Supported (PTT, VOX, Live, Aux Input, etc.), and Service Provision (Peer to Peer, License Required, Service/Server Required, etc.)  This can be improved without turning it into a monstrosity of a list. 75.141.15.56 (talk) 01:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

SJPhone
Why SJPhone in "Server software"?!?! It's softphone only,IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.110.23.135 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 14 February 2007

iChat
Apple's iChat also has its own "voice chat" software built-in, although it only works (to the best of my knowledge) between Mac OS X computers. Interestingly enough, you can use iChat to connect to Google Talk (it works perfectly), but although both might negotiate the same VoIP codecs, they can't talk to each other. Yet. Gwyneth Llewelyn 20:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess that qualifies as VoIP. Feel free to add it. --Swift 06:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

iChat is clearly not a SIP phone. Can I remove it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.140.247.26 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

TelTel-In?
I see no evidence of "Tel-Tel In" anywhere on TelTel's site, nor elsewhere on the internet, besides this page. Does anyone else know of it? Zauberfisk 21:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Coccinella is VoIP software?
It looks pretty data-only to me... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.235.73 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * From the download page: "Since the current release contains experimental voice (VoIP) support, we also provide builds without this." --Swift 06:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

separation between server and client software?
Hello,

I'd find it "better" to have this software list separated between server software, client software, and probably also separated along the line of closed systems (like skype), systems that require a IPTP (like most SIP stuff), and P2P stuff (like eg. Asterisk with its IAX protocol). Also, an eye on the specific security features would be great. Please note that support for ZRTP is "creeping in" to other telephony applications, too (eg. twinkle).

On the server side, I've found OpenPBX (forked from Asterisk) and Bayonne not yet mentioned in the overview.

The downside is that I don't have enough of a clue to make meaningful comparisons about VoIP software yet (in case you ask why I write here instead of the article page).

TIA! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.134.249.120 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. I just did a big overhaul on this and am too tired to split the list up. Feel free to identify the server software and put them into a seperate list. --Swift 06:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. Badly, but done. --Swift 02:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I wonder which of these can replace hardware VoIP phones and or work with VoIP systems like those from Cisco and Nortel (E.g. BCM-50 system and 1120e phone) and Avaya, at least where they claim to in some way support SIP. --IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

OPAL link incorrect?
Hello,

in the comparison table, there's a link pair "OpenH323 and OPAL" where the OPAL link goes to a page which I can't associate with VoIP applications. FWIW, the OPAL disambiguating page also doesn't have anything that sounds remotely applicable. Maybe someone could put in a meaningful link?

TIA! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.134.249.12 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking..
Where are Packet8 from 8x8 and Vonage?


 * Still on your desk???? --Kgfleischmann 18:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Little mistake in the previous page: ekiga is not for Windows


 * Really? http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Installing_Ekiga_on_Windows is an option for folks too cheap to pir8 a copy of Linux... K7L (talk) 17:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Linkfarm
Per WP:SPAM and WP:NOT, the non-notable software should be removed. There is plenty of notable software here, so there's no need for an AfD. --Ronz 00:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed the links, but kept the entries incase someone is working on new articles for notable software, or in case the companies that make the software have articles of their own which could be linked instead. --Ronz 15:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

64-bit Software
It would be useful to know which software packages support 64-bit operating systems. For example, Gizmo Project does not have a client for 64-bit linux distros yet.

Ventrilo and TeamSpeak?
I'm new to VoIP, but aren't Ventrilo and TeamSpeak also VoIP software, and should be included here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MiF86 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
 * I am also unsure about this. Does VoIP software require some hardware component to qualify? Does the software have to follow some particular network protocol? How do you define something as VoIP? The ventrilo homepage claims that it is the "next evolutionary step of Voice over IP (VoIP) group communications software". Is this enough to qualify it for this list? (82.30.42.157 18:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Answers: Yes, no, no, see VoIP, yes. ;-)
 * Analysis: This list is lame. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 00:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

AIM has AIM Phoneline and ICQ has ICQ Phone VoIP services
I suggest AOL Instant Messenger (AIM Phoneline) and ICQ (ICQ Phone) be included in this comparison as well, as both are running valid VoIP services with PC-Phone facilities.

Suggestion - External links to main site.
It would be handy to have external links to main website for the software. It would cleanup the dead links.--Joewski 04:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Net2Phone
why Net2Phone isn't included? the following links may be useful as references for the article

http://www.voipservicecarriers.com/comparevoipcarriersproviders.html

http://www.pc-telefon.com/voip-telephony.htm --Notopia 13:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

FreeSwitch
While Freeswitch can be used as a softphone, that is not its main purpose, its primary purpose is as a server. Suggest moving from softphone to server category. Not editing to avoid WP:COI issues. --Silik0nJesus 03:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

encryption
The table says Coccinella has encryption. This is only half true. It`s encrypted (ssl to server vor jabber) but voip is complete unencrypted. In a table for voip software this is quite confusing. I would suggest to remove the encryption. Just add it if really the voip is encrypted and not something else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.183.178.85 (talk) 03:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree; let's remove the content, replacing with a ‘?’ and renaming the column Voice Encryption, and refilling with content as available. VoIP where only the login and/or negotiation is encrypted is a joke.--IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Windows Messenger / Windows Live Messenger
Windows Live Messenger - dosn't support SIP Windows Messenger - support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.26.137.136 (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

New SIP Software
* http://qipim.com/en/ * http://xmeeting.sourceforge.net/pages/index.php * http://www.sippoint.ru/ * http://www.miranda-im.org/ * http://www.kapanga.net/ * http://www.portsip.com/ * http://www.voipsurfer.net/ * http://www.nch.com.au/

SIP and VoIP are two different things. One is a service, the other is a category of programs. 75.141.15.56 (talk) 01:45, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

List inclusion criteria
I propose all entries that do not have their own article be removed per WP:LIST, at least until we come up with better list inclusion criteria. --Ronz (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Too high a bar.  I'd say we can remove any entry iff either the product or support is completely unavailable (in any form) for over a month.  Continuing to ban offsite links is key to keeping much junk off here. --IReceivedDeathThreats (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, with the proviso that such a cleanup would probably require creating a few stubs for things above the WP:N bar, but that don't have articles yet. Scott.wheeler (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No alternative criteria has been offered, so I'm going to remove those without articles. --Ronz (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Do we include software that is no longer available? --Kvng (talk) 16:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Other capabilities column
Anyone have ideas on how to manage this column? Restrict the number of entries in it maybe? --Ronz (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC) It would be nice to see which VOIP software allows PSTN (Public Switching Telephone Network) access in this column.
 * codecs supported should be in a separate column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.165.37 (talk) 04:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree - codecs should be in a separate column, possibly with video codecs in another. Widefox ; talk 22:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Should Add Mohawk Voice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_Voice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.226.87.5 (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Skype Encryption is hidden
Only shows "Yes" when it should show "AES-256, Skype Encryption". Don't know how to fix it. May be wikimedia table bug? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.91.71.252 (talk) 13:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Encoding delay
One of the most important aspects of these programs, is the delay between something being said and it being heard by the person it's aimed at.

Some of these programs do their best to incorporate codecs, and use routines aimed to improve these matters , usage of aac , celt , speex , and other low latency codecs.

IMO a column should be added with average overhead time on top of network latency, to indicate these delays. that information is much more important than encryption, open source , license , since it is one of the core aims of these products.

83.101.83.123 (talk) 11:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Notability confusion, Acrobits
I see there's no entry for Acrobits' softphone or groundwire apps. They are proprietary mobile phone apps that support SIP and ZRTP.

Existence or nonexistence of a page about an app doesn't establish it's notablity. There is no wp policy that indicates that, despite the unsupported statements I see above that imply it. Think! There are thousands of people mentioned in articles that don't have articles dedicated to them, and that's as it should be.

Perhaps these apps are notable enough to have articles about them; I haven't checked. However, I'm pretty sure they are important enough to be on this list.

Any thoughts before I add 'em?--Elvey (talk) 01:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Update: Adding. LSC seems to be the relevant guideline.

Perhaps Gizmo should go, as it is defunct? --Elvey (talk) 02:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Colors in the table
Why is "Free Software" with a green background and "Proprietary" with a red background? That seems that seems not to respect Neutral_point_of_view 124.65.151.102 (talk) 02:16, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree, the colours could be changed. The proviso being that open standards / open source and privacy arguably are related. Widefox ; talk 22:11, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Spikko
The Spikko from this article's table is gone. It was replaced with a standard commercial call forwarding service. Please update. -79.182.166.145 (talk) 07:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Telepathy
I think it would be good to include telapathy (http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/) into the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.218.203.153 (talk) 01:16, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Just write an article about the topic! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 05:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Free of charge
Skype is not free anymore after it has been bought by Micro$oft, also voipwise costs money.

Wikipedia has a responsibility in giving all people the right information. Many people have big debts caused by telecommunication costs.

Please review this page with updated, correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.151.199.88 (talk) 20:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It's sort of complicated, from my point of view. "Free" seems to mean that there are many parts of a service that are free, to the point that you can legitimately use the service for free at all times.  It seems like it should mean that the service is completely free at all times.  Still, if it has ads in the service, does that still mean "free"?  Companies seem to be intentionally or unintentionally skirting around the definition of the word "free" and I don't really have a good solution.
 * As for the the Skype issue you pointed out, it may just not have been updated. Even so, it is free to own and use (to a point).  Describing it with one word (like free), is going to be difficult.  Do you have a solution? WCS100 (talk) 21:10, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

RaidCall
RaidCall needs to be added to this list. http://www.raidcall.com/v7/index.html

Also it would be good to create an article dedicated to RaidCall. Gkeebler (talk) 20:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It can be added to the list after it has an article which you're invited to make. It probably won't be made by others and it can only stay on Wikipedia if the company is notable. WCS100 (talk) 17:52, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Zoiper
Is Zoiper banned from this comparison list, and why? Kouber (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:WTAF! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the addition of Zoiper until the conclusion of the AfD of the article. Kouber didn't even establish importance, let alone notability, even when asked to do say.  He only "granted" notability, whatever that means.  If notability is established during the AfD, we can easily reapply the edit that I've reverted. WCS100 (talk) 03:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Kouber (talk) 15:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's dismissal of Zoiper's notability is odd. It is the ONLY Linux client that can do in and out SMS messages (over SIP/SIMPLE) using a well known Canadian SIP service provider. A Linphone developer said, as multiple users were begging to resolve the issue, that their choice of SIP/SIMPLE standard interpretation is the right one, even if it precludes SIP messaging via that or any other provider. It's really odd that Linphone is seen as "notable" while Zoiper is "not" as Zoiper is solving its major business case successfully, while Linphone prefers to play FOSS politics instead. Morycm (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's content policies require reliable, independent, indepth sources. The software may well have unique and amazing features, but if others have not written about them Wikipedia cannot be the first. MrOllie (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

End-to-end encryption vs Link encryption
Since link encryption is much weaker than end-to-end encryption, we should make clear they are different in the comparison. While end-to-end encryption prevents any third party from eavesdropping the communication, link encryption allows the service provider or a government agency (like the National Security Agency using the PRISM (surveillance program)) to eavesdrop the communication.


 * Should we add a column for end-to-end encryption?
 * Should we just change the current one to end-to-end encryption?
 * Should we keep both on the same column by making clear what software does end-to-end encryption and what software just does link encryption?

If no one disagrees, I will have both in the same column but only mark end-to-end encryption with the yes template green color, but use the partial template when the software just has the weaker link encryption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.120.205 (talk) 15:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

RaidCall
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3172529 implies that RaidCall is missing. Jidanni (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Write an article if you want it here .... --Kgfleischmann (talk) 03:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Redphone
Hi All! Why is not Redphone (https://whispersystems.org/) on the list? Just wondering — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.143.4 (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Write an article, prove the notability and then add the article. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Software locked to one provider?
Should software locked to one provider (for instance, a Vonage client) be separated from general-purpose SIP clients which are carrier-neutral? The whole point of a standard is that there are so many to choose from and locking something to be provider-specific defeats this, even if the message structure happens to be SIP-like internally. K7L (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

CSipSimple?
Why isn't CSipSimple here?

Outside review: Open Source SIP Client for Android | The Guardian Project

71.202.190.80 (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅. I've now added CSipSimple to the Mobile phones section. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Open frameworks/protocols
Doesn't Ring (software) and Matrix_(communication_protocol) deserve a place on the list too? Or do they belong elsewhere?

Kirkgaard (talk) 12:50, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Mumble protocol
I was reading up on what Mumble's protocol is, and it's an open-source protocol relying on a varient of ICE modified for reliability, speed and security. This means that while it uses the ICE codebase, it is incompatible with ICE servers that do not use this particular narrow settup. It is notable that the server protocol is an open API published by Mumble's wiki as well. I would favor listing it as an "Open-Source ICE Variant." However, I would like some degree of community consensus on this because it's a low-priority edit and I don't want any purist arguments about anything. I will simply yield to a regular maintainer of this page to make the final edit if there is consensus. --Robert Wm &#34;Ruedii&#34; (talk) 00:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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Logging Policies
At the instant messenger comparison page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients#Secure_messengers) the chart has been extended to indicate what data is stored and whether it is encrypted or not. That should be added here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.227.153 (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

A problem I recognize with this wonderful article
The comparison chart seems to me to be based on the assumption that any VoIP program must include chatting (textual instant messages):

What is the base for that assumption?

I suggest to the community to include "chatting" as a column by itself, so we could all easily know which VoIP software includes or doesn't include chatting.

Thanks, 2001:44C8:4000:4C1C:BDD4:C419:77B0:1269 (talk) 10:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Where is Zoom?
Why is Zoom not listed in this table? thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 01:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This has a simple reason, nobody listed is, including you!--Kgfleischmann (talk) 04:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Latest Release Column issues
There's a lot of inconsistent and incomplete information in the latest releases column under the Desktop applications topic. When sorting by latest release some popular programs are lacking a Latest release entry completely. (Facetime and Steam Chat specifically). There is also some out of date information in the column as well (Discord latest build as an example). Further, there is inconsistency in the using of version numbers and dates in the Latest release column. (Ventrilo only lists the release number Roger Wilco GameSpy only lists the release year.) My suggestion is to split this column into two with them being labeled, Latest Version Number and Latest Release Date respectively.

I created this as a talk topic first as I know it will have quite an impact on the page and involves adding additional columns to a table that is already on the larger side.

Thank you, Michael Duquet (talk) 00:10, 31 May 2023 (UTC)