Talk:Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples

Name
I have changed "Committee for the Propagation of the Faith" to "Congregation for the Propagating of Faith". "Congregatio" is rarely if ever translated into English as "Committee"; the present incarnation of the Roman Catholic Church uses "Congregation" exclusively in translation. Moreover, the Oxford "liber interpres lingva latinae elementorvm" gives only union, society, and association as alternatives. "Propaganda" is a gerund, and takes the form "Propagating" and not "Propagation". I also used "Congregation" in place of "Propaganda Fides" in the first paragraph, as a contraction of the full name, as it makes more sense to refer to a "congregation" than a "propagating of faith".
 * ...besides, the historical actions of the Congregatio have given the gerund Propaganda an embarassing sound... Wetman 20:16, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * ... but the usual English language term seems to be "Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith" (as already reworded).  Alai 08:15, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Alai is correct. Per the congr. profile webpage "Until 1982 it was known as The Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith or Propaganda Fide." Caisson 06 (talk) 02:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to move article
I propose this be moved from the current title: "Congregatio de Propaganda Fide" to "Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples" (now a redirect).

Reason: The other 8 Roman Curia Congregations all use their English equivalent as their article titles. See: Category:Roman Catholic Church Institutions

--Eoghanacht 16:26, 2005 May 23 (UTC)


 * Will the article makes quite clear what this is? Or will "Congregatio de Propaganda Fide" be buried as a historical footnote? --Wetman 16:44, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

My first thoughts on the opening:


 * The Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples (Congregatio pro Gentium Evangelizatione) is the dicastery of the Roman curia responsibile for missionary work and related activities. Better known by its former title, the Sacred Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith (Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide), it was renamed by Pope John Paul II in 1982 without any change in mission.  The word "propaganda" . ..

What do you think? --Eoghanacht 17:07, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

Negative associations of the word Propaganda
Actually, every instance of the word propaganda cited by the OED outside of the specific context of the congregatio de propaganda fide are all negative. "1842: Brande, Dict. Sci., etc. s.v. Derived from this celebrated society, the name propaganda in modern political language is applied as a term of reproach to secret associations for the spread of opinions and principles which are viewed by most governments with horror and aversion."76.99.126.235 21:37, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Factual problem
If this committee existed SINCE Gregory XIII, then its outcome cannot have taken place in 1508 as stated in the last sentence because that is BEFORE Gregory XIII.

"There had already been a less formally instituted cardinal committee concerned with propaganda fide since the time of Pope Gregory XIII (1572 - 1585), who were especially charged with promoting the union with Rome of the long-established eastern Christian communities: Slavs, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, and Abyssinians. This was the traditional direction for the Catholic Church to look for evangelizing. Catechisms were printed in many languages and seminarians sent to places as far as Malabar. The most concrete result was the union with Rome of the Ruthenian Catholic communion, most concentrated in modern day Ukraine and Belarus; the union was formalized at Brest in 1508." 4.249.3.37 (talk) 12:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Mission dioceses?
Apparently they exert some kind of effect over "mission dioceses" that I am having a hard time finding out about. I can name these dioceses. I just can't describe how they are "officially" different to the church. Student7 (talk) 22:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 July 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Wug·a·po·des​ 17:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC) Wug·a·po·des​ 17:46, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples → Congregation for the Evangelisation of Peoples – This, this, this, this, this, this, and more. PPEMES (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There are two different spellings of the same word: "Evangelization" and "Evangelisation." We can use either but I'm inclined to support your move proposal. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 16:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose – a set of weblinks is no substitute for stating a reason for the move. Please make a case if you want support. Dicklyon (talk) 02:40, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - both forms seem to be in widespread use, and per WP:RETAIN there doesn't seem a good reason to switch ENGVAR at this point. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:RETAIN. The Vatican has no strong national ties to a particular form of English, so we retain the form first used when creating the article. Regarding the links presented, of course we would expect UK-based websites to use the "s" spelling. What would be more compelling is if a majority of US-based websites did as well. Interestingly (at least to me), searching for both versions and including Reuters, a UK-based news organisation, as a search term returns 4,470 hits for the "z" spelling to only 828 for the "s" spelling. Yes, vatican.va has used the "s" spelling, but they have also used the "z" spelling. As has vaticannews and fides. The fourth article listed by the OP actually has both spellings in it. And finally, for what they are worth, Google Ngrams also appear to strongly favor the "z" spelling.  C Thomas3   (talk) 10:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


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