Talk:Connor MacLeod

Why?
Why was the Fitzcairn info removed from the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.46.19 (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Question: Who keeps deleting the reference to Connor being alive still in 2024? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.46.19 (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Connor canon continuity
I'd like for there to be more explanation of the death of Connor at the end of Endgame and whether or not H2 ever really took place.


 * Highlander II did not occur in the "series" canon, but that does not prevent it from being its own autonomous sequel. --TOOTCB 20:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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 * I don't see why we shouldn't keep it. It has the wrong template through, because it's not a screenshot either, as far as I remember. If anyone can provide the source for the picture, I can change the template and write the FURs for the three pages it appears on. Thanks Rosenknospe 12:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Rosenknospe 11:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced info
I am sorry, but the Highlander novels are not considered canon for the subject matter. Ergo, the info cannot remain. However, someone can try to convince us that the info is citable and verifiable enough (and someone can cite a reliable source that tells us the books are canon), we might be able to re-insert the data. Until then, it is posted below.


 * Highlander: The Element of Fire

This Highlander novel tells the adventures of Connor with Duncan and their confrontation with Khordas. Events from the book:


 * 1610 - Connor is rescued from the sea off Cape Horn by the Jugleor, captained by Farrell. Travelling with them, he befriends the first mate Carmichael and learns much of seamanship.


 * 1625 - After meeting Duncan Macleod the duo goes to Aberdeen on business and encounter Nerissa, another Immortal. The next day the two Highlanders spend the day carousing with Connor's old friend Carmichael, now Captain of his own vessel. But when they see Carmichael off the day after, they witness helplessly as his ship is destroyed by fire, a blaze started by Nerissa and her insane Immortal husband Khordas (who believes himself to be a god). Nerissa shoots Connor in the chest, ensuring the two villains' escape.


 * 1632 - Back in Scotland, Connor and Duncan hear of a village that has been attacked by Khordas. They travel there and begin tracking him, their pursuit lasting a couple of months, before they finally catch up with both Khordas and Nerissa on Rannoch Moor. Duncan takes Nerissa' head, but Khordas manages to escape.


 * 1853 - Connor, currently captaining the HMS Rosemarie, agrees to give passage to America to Duncan and his newest student, a young woman named Amber Lynn.


 * 1854 - Having picked up a shipment of guns and explosives in China, the Rosemarie is attacked by Khordas and his new Immortal partner Lauren. Khordas takes Amber Lynn's head, and then destroys the Rosemarie. Only Duncan and Connor survive from the ship's company.


 * 1897 - Connor is again a seaman, this time the gunrunning Captain. David Carruthers, captain of the Dido. When Khordas and Lauren reappear in Duncan's life in his new Nantucket home, he calls on Connor and the two finally end their long running feud with Khordas, taking his head (but Lauren escapes).

- Arcayne   (cast a spell)  04:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The closest Highlander has to "canon" is the Watchers' Chronicles CD, which includes information from this novel. Therefore, the canonicity of this section should not be in question. However, considering the lack of consistency throughout the franchise, declaring anything as "not canon" is ludicrous. --69.65.172.89 20:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
This doesn't belong in the article. It can all be ported over to Qikiquote and linked to the artilce near the bottom. Here, it is all cruft:

Quotes - Arcayne  (cast a spell)  20:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "I'm Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod."
 * "Stop it, you pompous haggis!"
 * "If it came down to us two, would you take my head?"
 * "Whatever you say, Jack. You're the master race."
 * "It seems like 100 years."
 * "I'm immortal."
 * "Love is for poets."
 * "It's a kind of magic."
 * "I cannot die."
 * "Don't worry. We'll be okay."
 * "You're not counting that scratch!"
 * "I'm Connor MacLeod. Same Clan. Different vintage."
 * "Do you think we ever lived like this, like a tribe, together with a common language, a reason and a name for each living thing? Did we once belong somewhere, a time, a place, however briefly?"
 * "As long as I can remember knowing you you've had all the fun and most of the good women."
 * "Come on. That was nearly one hundred and sixty years ago."
 * "The last one will have the power of all the immortals who have ever lived. Enough power to rule this planet forever. If someone like Slan is that last one, mankind will suffer an                                                                     eternity of darkness for which it will never recover."
 * "There's a fresh breeze blowing off the loch. The glen is snowy and cold. It's the most glorious sight on Earth. I've found no place to match it in four hundred years."
 * "In the days before memory, there were the Immortals. We were with you then, and we are with you now. We are driven by the endless fight to survive in a Game which knows no limits of time or place. We are the seeds of legend, but our true origin are unknown. We simply are."
 * "Once, a very long time ago, I was a Highlander. Born of this land and like this land: Immortal."
 * "Every life I touch ends. Brutally and for no reason. It's a curse that followed me through centuries. I can't outrun it and I can't outlive it."
 * "I'm Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. And like you, my friend, I have a hard time dying."
 * "Life brings hope and pain, but revenge never brings redemption."
 * "Neither one of us can beat him alone."
 * "One of us has to die now, my friend. And you know it."
 * "There can be only one."

Image provenance

 * I am a bit concerned that the press photo for the series showing Paul/Lambert

has been licensed as a free image released by the copyholder. A closer look at the uploading indicate it was taken from a MySpace page of someone named "Donut", who I am guessing wasn't closely associated with any aspect of the series aside from watching it on tv. I am afraid this image is facing speedy removal for improper licensing. I am noticing this license side-stepping popping up more and more, but then it could just be due to me learning more about them.
 * I am thinking we might want to go over all the images and make sure of the licensing. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  22:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Scientist?
Is Connor MacLeod a scientist in Highlander II? --68.224.247.53 03:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, he's magical. like the Keebler elves or My Pretty Pony. Highlander 2 never happened. wink, wink... :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  06:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * MacLeod is not a scientist, but he funds the work done by Alan Neyman, who is a scientist. And, of course, he can read everyone's minds by this point anyway (thanks, Prize!).--TOOTCB 09:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Removed section

 * I removed this section becaus ethere were no citations in it whatsoever, and fan speculation has precisely no weight in Wikipedia. However, in the off-chance that some of it can be cited (remember, blogs, forums and the like are not considered reliable enough for inclusion), I am porting the section to here. Please do not re-add any portionof the section without solid citation, please.


 * Reconciliation
 * Although the TV series is generally considered to be in a different reality than the films, many fans have tried to reconcile the timeline. Due to the convoluted continuity of the films and series, a popular explanation of inconsistencies has arisen. One theory holds that, in Highlander: Endgame, Connor goes to the Watcher Sanctuary, where he remains in a drug-induced state for 10 years, during which time certain incongruous details from the films might be hallucinatory dreams (especially the events of Highlander II). However, this is only conjecture, and should not be taken as series canon.
 * Also, some fans choose to retcon the plot of Highlander: The Final Dimension to fit this timeline by disregarding any references to the Gathering and the Prize. This film has never been officially incorporated into the TV series canon onscreen, but in the recent Highlander comic book series (itself part of the TV universe), its events were referenced in a storyline involving Duncan MacLeod.


 * - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  06:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The section was initially added to discourage editing by fans who wanted to reconcile details from Highlander III. However, since they have desisted, the section is no longer necessary.--69.65.172.89 20:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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Enemies
Why is Jacob Kell the only enemy listed? The Kurgan and (gasp...from the unspeakable sequels...)The guys from 2 and 3 should be there as well. Hooper (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Celtic Myth tie in
In Celtic mythology, immortality was a subject often dealt with, I'm actually kind of surprised that, with the Highlander franchise revolving around SCOTTISH characters, that the creators did not tie Celtic myth into the myth to explain why they were immortal. Why for instance, has clan McLeod produced TWO immortals when, ammong mortals they are extremely rare? If you count Owen McLeod, that is THREE immortals the clan has produced, now THAT is a question I need answering, what the hell is so special about the McLeods? That is something I think fans would like to know, and if done right, throw Celtic mythology into the mix, somehow work it into the writting and perhaps a more satisfactory explanation can be come up with.

I know the show's creators must no doubt visit wikipedia; if I were a celebrity myself, or, the creator of some famous franchise I'd check out wikipedia every once in a while to see what people thought. Highlander creators if you're reading this please, do your research regarding Celtic mythology, and ANYTHING at all you can find on the immortals in traditional myth, please work with it, "Highlander; The Source" was just corny! What made the first movie great, was the whole fantasy, mythological atmosphere, when it became more and more sci-fi ish, all the romantic appeal of a classic mythological tale was lost, and why most fans of the franchise STILL prefer the first movie! This is not meant to edit the article, the owner of this article can do whatever the hell they want with it, and frankly I think the article is fine.

One question the creators need to answer, and I think this can work with the story for a satisfactory conclusion to the series, is why clan McLeod produced so many immortals. If you count just Scotland, the country produced, if you count all of them, Owen McLeod, Conner McLeod, Duncan McLeod, Quentin McLeod, and Jacob Kell. That is 5 immortals in just one country. Another immortal hot spot, is Egypt; Methos, Ramirez, a whopping 4 of Duncan's lovers, are all ancient Egyptian immortals. Now with Egypt, with all the mystical, mythological stuff often associated with it, it would be easy to come up with a story.

But creators please, explain why Scotland and Egypt, are hotspots for immortals to be born. Oh yeah, lets not forget Duncan's wife Kate, from Highlander endgame, who was Irish; why are the lands of the Celts, and Egyptians, hot spots for people to be born immortal?

Little something to work with, and I'm sorry that "The Source" was so corny, I think you highlander creators owe us, the fans, a sort of apology by making something better that feels more mythological, and less sci fi ish!

67.148.120.65 (talk)stardingo747 —Preceding undated comment was added at 08:10, 27 December 2008 (UTC).

Connor's age when he had his first death
It's listed that Connor was born in 1518 and had his first death in 1536 which would make him 18 years old at the time which can't be right or the film makers would have had to have cast a much younger actor for the part instead of using Christopher Lambert and I'm sorry but no matter how good of an actor you might be or how much make-up is use there is no way Lambert could pull off playing as a 18 year old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.131.17 (talk) 11:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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