Talk:Country-western two-step

Slash
Wikipedia page titles should not contain a slash ("/"). Please move this page to a new title that makes sense. I'm not familiar with country and western music and can't decide whether it should be moved to Two-step (country), Two-step (western) or something neutral. Thanks. -- Ravn 22:27, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It should probably be country-western. It's effectively a single genre of music. QuinnHK 02:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You, sir, are not from Texas. ;) Country and Western are different musical styles (cf. Randy Travis and Bob Wills). --Cowb0y (talk) 05:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

"Country", or "Hillbilly" music and "Western", or "cowboy" music, come from different ethnic mixes and places. Just as "Rhythm and Blues" is a term created by people who sell music, Country Western is a marketing/music industry term. You might want to look at the Country music article to learn more. And, yes, you can still hear the difference in the music. Steve Pastor (talk) 16:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The Arizona version
I've encountered the same step, the one you mention from Arizona, each time from people who had no idea that "two-step" meant something else in the bar we were in. But it isn't related to the country-western two-step at all, so I don't think it belongs in this article. &#8212;Largo Plazo (talk) 21:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, just last night I talked to a woman from Pheonix who dances two step there. She dances at country western places, and they dance THEIR two step, not the one most people dance. Last time she was here, we agreed to do a two step together, and it was a train wreck. How are people supposed to know there is more than one country western two step if it isn't in the article? And BTW, it took me quite some time to find a reference about what the heck was going on there. I'll add a quote from another book about how different dances have the same name depending on where you are dancing. Steve Pastor (talk) 22:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, if we want to get fancy, we could write separate articles for the different two steps. I don't think that is either necessary or desirable. But, we should cover the bases here. Steve Pastor (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Too much header
I think the header paragrpah is to long compared to the rest. additional headlines should be added to better sort out that topic. --Alexander.stohr (talk) 19:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

How this dance is described
I know enough to know that there is a great deal of inconsistency in presentation but not enough to be able to rewrite the main part of this article correctly in sufficient detail.

"The Texas Two Step includes three steps: a quick step, a quick step, and then a slow step .... Although three steps are taken the dancer only progresses two steps .... Many sites, however, define the dance as having four steps, quick quick slow, slow.[2] And the pattern of the steps are often referred to as "Step-together, walk, walk."

I don't know what the CWDI says, but the basic two-step as known in UCWDC circles is four steps ("quick, quick, slow, slow", or QQSS). Further, in bar dancing, especially to fast music, "step-together" is apt, where the first two steps are a shuffle-step, with the right foot (I'm speaking of the lead here; the reverse holds for the follow), not going beyond the left foot on the second step, but in formal two-stepping the right foot is required to pass the left foot. Alternative patterns like QQSQQS and QQQQSS are considered "syncopated".

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that within some CW community or communities, QQS is the basic count, but if this article is to treat one form of two-stepping as the default (whether that be the bar dancing variety found in, say, El Paso, or the variation formally defined for UCWDC compettion) and all others as variations, there needs to be some reason for singling that form out as the default, and though it doesn't need to be repeated, it needs to be stated explicitly which variation this is, and why it's being treated as the default. Otherwise, the different varieties need to be treated more equally, and for each characteristic of the dance, the variety or varieties to which that characteristic pertains needs to be stated explicitly. —Largo Plazo (talk) 23:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

CWDI (Country Western Dance International) doesn't even seem to exist any more. Its website was supposedly at http://www.cwdidance.org/, but that leads to a domain parking page. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * It's like this - Ball of Confusion (That's What the World Is Today). But.. the record consciously avoids implying a definitive point-of-view or a defiant stance. "And the band played on." I think the message is supposed to be that there is no "right" way to do Two Step, although there is a most common form. It's country western, NOT a ballroom dance. Still, since I found most of the material in the article, I'll take a look at it again. Steve Pastor (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Rearranged article
It took a while to figure out what was what, but I think I managed to put all the snippets referring to a different dance into it's correct section. We have about 4 timing patterns. QQS, QQSS, Triple-Triple-Step-Step, and the one from Arizona. I think all 4 have been standardized for competitions with the names: Polka, Two Step, Triple Two, Rhythm Two. Marked (talk) 02:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Historical references
I think the other big problem, there are a number of well written but older references. Over time, they become less accurate to what is danced today, so their value is more historical. If we continue to quote them, they sometimes add more confusion to the topic than clarity. Especially around, what is THE Two Step. It looks to me that there was a renaming that occurred around the 80's probably related to "Urban Cowboy"'s popularity. It would be a lot easier to only use modern references and naming, but if we don't address it head on, people who ever try to compare this article to an old enough reference would be confused.

I took this quote out for example, as I haven't seen anyone use this type of lift recently. I moved it here in case someone disagrees that this is important and wants to add it back. "In fact, the man will find that if he spins continuously to the right while he dances (that is, in the "right face" direction), it is good fun to lift the lady off the floor as he "slides" (or just before he "slides") with his right foot. As he leads with his left he does a regular two-step, but always as he leads with his right he lifts his partner as high as he dares without spoiling her rhythm or her step, for she must come down exactly on the beat. And the faster the spin, the greater the centrifugal force, and the easier the lift. The ladies, bless 'em, seem to like it."

Marked (talk) 02:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I think you are correct about the "change" that happened in the early 80s. There are actually many different types of two steps that were described in books that show that it didn't happen over night. (I think that is beyond the scope of this article.) Historical belongs in the article, other wise we will end up with a "historic two step" article such as what Wikipdeia has for Lindy Hop. This supposed to be an encylcopdic article on two step, rather than a contemporary two step how To article. Now, last time I danced in Texas, people were doing the classic two step. So, the organizations can standardize all they want. I don't travel to Colorado, etc, so I can't say what they do but that classic two step was danced there, also, in the mid 80s in Colorado Springs (I think it was according to the books).
 * So, I have no problems with the reoganization, but I'd like to not see an over editing based on what happening today, and eliminating what has gone before. That changeover is, I think, very important for people to be aware of. And, there ARE alternatives to what "everyone" does.Steve Pastor (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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"Texas-two-step" (legal)
Where is wikipedia about that?

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