Talk:County Cork

Town and Villages which have no sites
Their are two small town in County Cork in Particular which have no site for them including Whitechurch,County Cork and Killeens,County Cork I believe pages need to be made for them as their are lots of information about them an they are independent towns.

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one in six dominant participants in the Irish CivilWar were from Cork

HELP! Who knows something about the crest of county cork? What do all the other seals mean part from the city of cork one? Thanks a bunch!

External link/refs
One I understand to be an external link is here given as a reference. Is that as it should be?Osborne 12:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

List of towns
There is absolutely no need for this page to contain a "list of towns in Cork". There are already several such lists, namely: List_of_towns_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland/2006_Census_Records (which can be sorted by county), and List of census towns in the Republic of Ireland (which has a County Cork section). If it is deemed neccesary that there be a "stand alone" List of towns and villages in County Cork, then it can be created be a separate page. It should not be added as an exhaustive sub-section that "takes over" the existing article here. Guliolopez (talk) 11:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

And why are Carrigaline, Cobh, Mallow, etc called "Cities" in the list?

cork
i like cork —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.103.41 (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

My family is looking for info concerning my Pa's background. We were told he came from an area where goats were plentiful and that during his time the area had a rough reputation... Is it County Cork? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.136.134 (talk) 12:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Confusing paragraph
"In more recent times, the name has referred to the prominent role Cork played in the Irish War of Independence (1919–1921) and its position as an anti-treaty stronghold during the Irish Civil War (1922–23). And more recently in the war of independence (1919–1921) it was the scene for most of the fighting." Something is askew here, as 1919-21 is not more recent than 1922-23. So what was the author of the last sentence referring to? AmirOnWiki (talk) 14:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The new lead
The statement in the new lead which was inserted into the county articles is completely misleading; County Cork is one of the 32 traditional counties - yes. But the traditional county is not co-locational with modern Cork County Council. Sarah777 (talk) 12:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cork County Council administers County Cork. The borders may have slightly changed over the centuries but there is nothing misleading about the intro. Snappy (talk) 12:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Having glanced at the article there does seem to be some inconsistency and/or confusion as to whether the article covers the local government County Cork (which excludes the city) or the "geographical" County Cork (which includes it). It seems to cover both without being explicit about this. Maybe that's the problem referred to?Lozleader (talk) 21:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How is the area under the jurisdiction of Cork County Council considered to be "geographical", but the area under the jurisdiction of Cork City Council is not considered to be "geographical"? If it's not geographical, what is it? Some fifth dimensional entity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurel Lodged (talk • contribs) 23:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Eh no... I was trying to find an inclusive term that includes both the county and city. I know that "geographical county" was often used in a UK context to describe an administrative county plus its associated county boroughs, e.g. the similar case of Leicestershire (admin county) + Leicester (county borough) forming the geographical county of Leicestershire. The "geographical" county would be the one found on most maps although in practice the area was divided administratively. The rather more antiquated term is the "County at Large".
 * To reiterate: there are, it would appear, two County Corks: one that includes the city and one that doesn't. The census, for instance lists the population in one table as "Cork... of which Cork City, Cork County" and in another as "Cork City and County". The article seems to contain a lot of information pertaining to the city, and the lead gives the population figure for the county + city at the same time giving the impression that the "administrative" and "traditional" counties are identical, which they aren't. I'm not sure what a "traditional county" is (possible OR?) but I'm guessing it means County Cork as used in common parlance (how to ref that I don't know) eg city + county.
 * My point was if the article is going to deal with two different things then it needs to be clear when we are talking about which.Lozleader (talk) 18:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I very much agree with the points made by Lozleader, and have tried to amend the intro to clarify this point - also under discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland. 109.158.149.4 (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Naming of individual officials
An IP user has inserted the name of a particular court official - the County Registrar - in this article and in several other county articles. I think it is completely inappropriate in an encyclopaedia article on the county to name individual court officials - what next, name every current clerk in the county council, principals of schools, district judges...? The same user (but using a different IP address) then reverted my edit, rather than following WP:BRD. Brocach (talk) 11:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This behaviour is continuing and the user refuses to engage here or on other pages. Brocach (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have appealed to the user - User:61.14.187.198, also editing as User:202.7.176.234 - to discuss this here, but he/she simply reverts repeatedly; these reverts (reinserting the names of court or county council officials) have been made so far at County Carlow, County Mayo, County Laois, while my edits at the other affected county pages have so far not been reversed. I am stopping my reverts - which inadvertently went over 3RR on the Cork page, but are mostly one or twos - to purse an edit warring complaint. Brocach (talk) 17:12, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. We name the County Manager currently, and we should draw the line there and we will end up all manner of county officials. Wikipedia is meant to be comprehensive but equally not a list all employees of a particular body, a directory or an indiscriminate collection of info. See WP:NOT. Snappy (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Give me an example of an article where we actually name the County Manager?--Fil e  Éireann 18:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If "we" do, we shouldn't. A county manager is a public servant and not notable in her/his own right; the article is about the employing body (if the county council) or the area (if about the county). It would be next to impossible, and in any case pointless, to turn Wikipedia into a directory of the current occupants of every public-sector job of a rank comparable to county registrars, county managers etc. Brocach (talk) 22:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Given the number of editors who have reverted the above IP's edits, there is clearly no consensus to add this information. The IP is however, continuing to edit war. Snappy (talk) 13:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Now that I've found the Talk page under my own initiative and without help I can give my rationale. From the artilce, 'Mayo County Council': The county administration is headed by a County Manager, Peter Hynes.

A County Manager in Ireland is notable for the power they weild as per the County Management Act, 1940 Section 17 or said act states: "Every county manager shall exercise, for the several elective bodies for which he is the manager, the executive functions of such elective bodies respectively and, in particular, all powers, functions, and duties of any such elective body in relation to the officers and servants of such body and the control, supervision, service, remuneration, privileges, and superannuation of such officers and servants See here: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1940/en/act/pub/0012/print.html#sec17

Section 18 states: "Any power vested, by virtue of an enactment in force at the passing of this Act, in the council of a county or in an elective body to delegate to a committee appointed by such council or elective body any power, function, or duty which is an executive function of such council or elective body (as the case may be) shall, after the commencement of this Act, be exercisable only by the county manager for the county of such council or by the manager for such elective body (as the case may be) but subject in every case to the consent of the Minister." See here: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1940/en/act/pub/0012/print.html#sec18

The role is notable by it's undermining of c\local/municipal democracy as explitcitly stated here: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1940/en/act/pub/0012/print.html#sec19

There is certainly a point to mentioning and identifying a Ministerially appointed public servant with such extensive executie powers. And I look forward to reading the results of others research.


 * (Above unsigned text is from User:61.14.187.198, also editing as User:202.7.176.234)
 * About time that you came here. The fact that so many other editors have reverted your edit-warring additions of officials' names shows that there is no consensus for adding this directory-style information. If you want to make officials' names accessible via Wikipedia you could add a link to a list of current office-holders from the Council Manager (Ireland) page. Meanwhile you can expect people fed up[ with your behaviour to keep reverting your edits. Brocach (talk) 16:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Why? Three is hardly "many". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.187.225 (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The following editors reverted your changes: Snappy, Brocach, Brendanconway, Dmol, Jon C and Denisarona, and they are just the ones who were watching the pages, I imaging if we took it to WT:IE, there would be quite a few more. Please accept the consensus. If you continue to edit war, either you will be banned or the articles protected. Snappy (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
Is that actually Cork County's coat of arms, or just the coat of arms of the county's council? I'd imagine there is either a historical coat of arms, or the County Council one isn't actually the coat of the County??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xx78900 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say it is the council's coat of arms. It is probably the council who decide the coat of arms for the county unless you know who else could provide one? It has the city version inside it, which was you can read about here. ~ Ablaze (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)