Talk:Creator deity/Archive 1

Goddess? Where is the evidence of this Goddess?
Why is goddess on this page when there are no examples of goddess stated? Rednblu 22:22, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The first line was as follows.


 * A creator god or creator goddess is a god or goddess which is or was believed to have created the universe, according to various traditions:

Removed goddess from that line because the page cites no documented religion that gives evidence of a goddess that is a creator god. Rednblu 18:46, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Why the redundancy?
The creator god is the God being that. . . ? Why the redundant insertion of God?  What is the justification for the redundancy? Is there some hidden meaning here? If there is some hidden meaning, then that meaning should be spelled out, I suggest. Rednblu 16:07, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

It's good to have a link to God outside of the strongly emphasised title. -- Toby Bartels 00:22, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * Why is that? It seems to me that many people believe in divine beings that are creator gods that are definitely not God.  Is it your impression that all "divine beings that are creator gods" are God?  Rednblu 00:28, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * How about if we remove the brackets from divine being--because for this page it probably is inaccurate to redirect to the God page. What do you think? Rednblu 14:06, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

proposal to merge into creationism
seems to me the only things here that are unique to this page are the mormon and hindu models of creationism, and i think they would do better on the Creationism page. i'd like to propose a merge and redirect. thoughts? Ungtss 20:24, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * i moved the mormon + greek beliefs to creation belief. everything else was already covered there or in Creationism.  Ungtss 07:53, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you should give this a little more than 12 hours of comments - though thanks for doing a NPOV move. Trödel| talk 13:10, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree


 * Creationism is not a species of Creator deity belief. What characterizes Creationism is its attitude toward the material facticity of a book's account of Creation, not the existence of a Creator God per se.  Plenty of people believe in the same Creator that Creationists do without believing in the historicity of the book of Genesis.    Not only should they not be merged, references to Creationism should be removed from the Creator deity entry. nelsonleith  —Preceding comment was added at 21:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Muslims do NOT believe that Man was created in God's image
I'll change it.

Page move
Isn't the intended scope of the page the concept of a creator god in general, not simply the Judeo-Christian deity named God? If so, we should probably move back to Creator god, and make sure the capitalisation in the article text reflects this. Alai 01:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Added a new section on Catholic Church
Like Hinduism and Mormons, the Catholic Church deserves a separate section: reason: it is the biggest Abrahamic religion, the biggest Christian denomination. Thus it also deserves the biggest space.

"a god"
I think the use of the article "a" is rather unnecessary as Christians and Muslims are monotheists. -- EmperorBMA|話す 18:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Definately

DarthSidious 03:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)DarthSidious
 * They do believe there are higher powers called "gods", they just distinguish God from gods.
 * In general, they do not believe in other gods.2601:640:4000:3170:A409:58C5:1FF7:316 (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Picture and room for development in articles
I've added a pic of Haldane's famous response when asked about what could be inferred about the mind of the Creator from the works of Creation. It seems that the article is currently limited to what different religions say about their respective creator. Now, I'm not a philosopher, but there must have been huge amounts written about the mind of the creator over the centuries and that could be a good way to go to expand this article. GDallimore (Talk) 21:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Proposed change either in the article title to "Creator" or in the addition of a "non-deified creator" article
I would personally recommend the use of the first of these two options.

I have been wondering about the various changes that might be made regarding Wikipedia articles relating to perceived creators. As I see it there are various ways in which changes might be made and I would like to raise the issue so that a suitable result may be achieved.

There is an existing article relating to "Creator Deities" and one way forward would be to place additions into this article. For this to happen effectively I would like to suggest that the name of the article is changed from "Creator Deities" to "Creator". The reason for this is that it may occasionally be unclear whether or not a religion regarded the Creator to be an actual Deity. This type of change would pave the way for additions to the page.

Another way option would be to create a separate page related to "non-deified creators" and yet this leaves the problem of interpretation. However this raises the question regarding the definition of a god and the question as to whether or not a people may have at various time have regarded a creator to have been a god.

I have produced a list of Creator Identities that may be used for reference. It's a long list and there is plenty of scope for various potential levels of addition.

It has also come to mind that there is already an Wikipedia article on the topic of "God" and that a specific article on "Creator Deities" may duplicate ground covered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregkaye (talk • contribs) 19:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Not entirely clear what you are proposing, but a couple of comments: (1) The article on "creator deities" you mention is this one (see what happens when you enter Creator deities)! (2) I would be very strongly opposed to changing the title of this article to "Creator", as there is already an extensive disambiguation page at Creator, covering a wide range of meanings and different articles. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 16:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The idea of the article name change from "Creator Deity" to "Creator" was just an idea but, I think, a good one. There is no individual page that tackles the concept of the "Creator". Snalwibma rightly notes that searches on "Creator deities" lead to the "Creator deity" article but, as the topic of links has been raised, it may also be noted that searches on "Divine Creator" lead to the article on "God". I have no form objection to this link. A Divine Creator would, by definition, be God.

Conservation of energy
Don't get me wrong, I'm a physics fan, and I like trying to see how it explains things, I see how the Conservation of Energy could be used for or against a Creator god. However, I don't see sources, so I'm gonna delete it until there are sources. Frankly, right now it comes off more like someone's personal philosophy, not a proper part of the article. Furthermore, it's debatable if it's even suitable here, even with sources, as this is an article on Creator gods, and the conservation of energy law has more to do with the argument if there is a Creator god or not. 174.112.18.193 (talk) 04:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, and if you have a Creator God that is presumed to be infinite, then one could get by the issue of the law of energy with regards to creation.137.118.103.153 (talk) 17:31, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Out of Order?
It seems like some of the sections are out of order. For instance, beneath the initial information under Chinese Mythology there are many sub-sections that are mentioned under monotheology. It looks like it needs to be re-arranged a bit but I'd rather not be the one to do it so I figured I'd just mention it here in case someone cared enough to fix it. 68.239.198.22 (talk) 05:42, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Where's Judaism?
If you're talking about the abrahamic creation narrative you really should include Judaism. Editor2020 (talk) 19:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, this is really not my subject, but I'm mystified by your comment because as far as I can see, there is a section on Judaism in this artlce - can you clarify what you mean? (And then perhaps another editor might be able to comment further!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:04, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just added it. Editor2020 (talk) 02:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

The creator
I'm woke in Cleveland Ohio if you want to find me it's time. Names Khalil 74.199.56.38 (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

When referring to God the letter G is always capitalized
My suggestion is to capitalize the letter G 174.240.50.215 (talk) 06:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023
The fifth line in the fifth paragraph of Christianity has spelling mistakes like mercifull,onely etc. Anna K-JM (talk) 07:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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Section on Mandaeism currently contradicts both the religion itself and other Wikipedia pages on Mandaeism
Apologies that I do not have the capability to directly edit this section. Mandaeism is a Gnostic religion. Like other Gnostic religions, Mandaeism holds that the material world is flawed/evil. The God of worship, Hayyi Rabbi, created the spiritual world, the World of Light, the angels (Uthra) and the souls (Nishimtha). Material creation including the creation of the physical world and human bodies is attibuted to Ruha (a fallen angel) and Ptahil (the 4th life), i.e. material creation is distinct and far removed from Hayyi Rabbi. 92.239.198.135 (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Deism/Pandeism
There is a creator deity in Deism and Pandeism omitted here. 98.175.101.132 (talk) 15:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)