Talk:Creem

Original research
I had originally added this paragraph,
 * A trivia note: the famous "Boy Howdy" beer-bottle logo was drawn originally by a friend of Reay, local (and unknown) artist R. Crumb, for $50; while the logo was ultimately very successful, Reay and Kramer apparently had a falling out over the price, leading to the departure of the founding editor after only the fourth issue.

as my very firstest contribution to an article, but was forced to remove it when I realized it was original research; my only source for the information is Tony Reay himself. :(

I am Tony Reay… and you certainly didn’t get that story from ME. Crumb was a west coast graphic comix star and had already done the Big Brother album cover as well as Zap comics… I had never met or spoken with him before he showed up and offered to draw the cover for fifty bucks. I agreed (for the name value alone). Barry told me to pay him 35 bucks… I paid him the fifty we had agreed on. But that incident had absolutely NOTHING to do with the differences in editorial direction that led to me leaving Creem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:7504:401:7CF7:D61C:E143:33A0 (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I still say it's interesting info, though. At least somebody might read it here. Eaglizard 07:58, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I found verification for the Crumb drawing story in the Harper-Collins CREEM book and added it as a reference, although they mentioned both the $50 Reay and $25 Kramer versions. I'm a huge Crumb fan, and have never read anything where Crumb discusses this particular drawing. I'd say the genesis is lost in the sands of time and molasses of ego, but for the purposes of Wikipedia having a cite on paper is good enough, no matter who is right. The point is - it was a classic design, it identified and branded the magazine, and it was the bargain of the century. K8 fan (talk) 05:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Heavy Metal
Wikipedia's page agrees with teh book Hammer of the Gods which accredits 'heavy metal' to William Burroughs, who has a character called The Heavy Metal kid in a 1962 novel. So this needs top be corrected.199.172.169.86 (talk) 05:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

RESPONSE: But it was the first it was used as a description of music, and not a literary device in a novel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.243.91.182 (talk) 02:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Versions
The original Creem from Michigan is usually considered the only true Creem Magazine. But two other versions of Creem followed the demise of the original that in one way or another are part of the Creem's history--for better or worse.

These versions were oversized and based in New York. In varying ways they were in keeping with Creem's spirit though not necessarily employing the same crop of writers.

The first version was headed by Marvin Scott Jarret who later published Raygun and now does the fashion magazine Nylon. That version was neither all that interesting or memorable. The second version, published by people who owned some adult oriented magazines, was edited by Mark Petracca. As a fan of the original Creem, and an Ohioan, Petracca tried to capture the spirit of the original Creem and was somewhat successful at it, even bringing some original Creem writers.

When Petracca was pushed out the magazine, it limped along for awhile until the pernicious publishers decided they lost interest in such a magazine and finally folded it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.11.48 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Battle between CREEM Media and T.A. Riggs, Licensing, LLC
The following was added on 1 January, 2013. It was removed as it was unreferenced. I placed it here awaiting references: K8 fan (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The litigation between Kramer and Creem Media is over. The internal fighting and litigation kept the magazine in a state of confusion and off the market. Creem Media was sued by T.A. Riggs Licensing LLC in 2010 for breach of contract. Creem Media lost that suit, and Riggs was awarded $575,000.00. Creem Media was either unable or unwilling to pay. In November of 2011 Creem Media attempted to have the judgment set aside, but in January of 2012 the Court upheld the Judgment. In February of 2012 the Court appointed a Receiver to seize all of Creem Media's assets to help satisfy the outstanding judgment. The Receiver has transferred all of the Intellectual Property from Creem Media, Inc to Riggs, CREEM International, Inc purchased the assets from Riggs being the new successor company with all rights of ownership.

There is an outstanding warrant for the arrest of Jason Turner for contempt of Court.

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