Talk:Cremation of Care

Alex Jones
I believe the link to Alex Jones is not the correct person. It should be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28radio%29

NPOVing and merging
As it is, this sounds like conspiracy theory-babble, which is why it was put up for first, CSD and now, VFD.

If this is to be kept, it needs to be gone over with a fine tooth comb, reliable sources put in, and NPOVed to an extent that it might as well be rewritten. That being said, once it's cleaned up, I doubt there will be much difference from the Cremation of Care bits in Bohemian Grove, so that's why I suggest that once that's done, whatever's left to be merged should be merged and then this article changed to a redirect. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 04:34, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Cronkite
I have re-added the section on Cronkite voicing the Owl, here is a source: http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/bohemian-grove/ "The gathering includes semi-Masonic themes that center around a 40-foot tall stone owl, whose voice is provided by regular attendee Walter Cronkite" Alex Jones has also verified this. -Wiffle0rz 04:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC) "Walter Cronkite, now on the CBS board, hangs out at the same lodge at Bohemian Grove as George Bush and the former chairs of Procter & Gamble and Bank of America; Cronkite's voice has served as the voice of the Owl of Bohemia, a fixture in the club's mock-druidic rituals." -Wiffle0rz 04:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Another source: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489 Here it says:

Why is this disputed?
There are too many references from too many sources that show that the Bohemian Grove events do take place and that the cremation of care ceremony has been performed as an annual event for many years. Take down the "Neutrality is disputed" label!

The article could be incorporated into the Bohemian Grove article, though there are "literary elements" that are of their own interest in the text that this may be worthwhile keeping as a stand alone topic. Kiwifilm


 * The tag was originally put because as it was orginally written, it described the ceremony in conspiracy theory terms and as if those conspiracy theories were true (see the history for earlier versions). The fact that the ceremony exists is not in dispute; the problem is presenting it in a non-sensationalist, factual and neutral way without injecting POV. There is still a problem, for example, with the "apparently occultic" characterization of the ceremony. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:51, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I added the "apparently occultic" phrase instead the more direct "occult" in the desrciption that was in the original source of the transcript that I used. Maybe we should use "alleged occultic" instead? Whatever... Anyway, members of the Bohemian Club and guests at the Bohemian Grove are quite welcome to come forth and put their point of view and 2 cents worth into this discussion and clarify ... Kiwifilm 17:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

OK OK - I made the change from "apparently" to "allegedly" - now the only remaining phrase that should cause concern regarding neutrality is "It is known that parts of the script may contain allusions to purported prisoners" - the word "known" is presumptious and therefore slanted - and now that the transcript is posted giving the reader the opportunity to draw their own conclusions, then a more "neutral" term could be applied and therefore remove the neutrality notice... perhaps? Kiwifilm 18:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Discrepancies
The Moloch article claims that the statue is 45 feet, whereas this article calls it a 40 foot statue. Now, I suppose no one has been no one has gone so far as to measure the statue itself and that their are one or two sources that would differ on the specifics but there should be some sort of agreement between the articles.

69.157.123.251 20:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh for crying out loud! I've heard both figures.  Are you really going to piss and moan about five feet?  It's a big statue of an owl?  Can we agree on this? GeorgeC 15:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * lol1 190.148.142.82 (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Music and production
The music during the latter half seems to be In the Hall of the Mountain King, not sure if the preceding music is anything particular. Some mention could be made of the program handed out beforehand, pyrotechnic effects, and trouble with reporting on the ceremony. 

Reviving the article
I rewrote and restored this page as an article after some two years as a redirect to Bohemian Grove. In its former state, it was a POV fork that held very little in the way of history or development of the ceremony. Now, there's some good information about the early versions as well as the old POV bit where Alex Jones videotapes it with his spy camera. Binksternet (talk) 03:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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O Iuri é emo
whats is this "O Iuri é emo" at the end of the article? 171.24.224.116 (talk) 13:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)