Talk:Cristóbal Carbine

the Dominican 7.62 Nato gun was not on the Kiraly action. It was a completely different design, using an FN FAL type tipping bolt locked breech and a gas piston mounted beneath the barrel, apparently modelled on the gas system of the US M14. Date of adoption was 1962

There is a WIKI page about de kiraly, could some one link this to it?


 * The Cristobal carbine is a different weapon from the 7,63 7.62x51mm rifle. The Dominican Republic Cristobal fires the .30 carbine M1 cartridge ( 7.63 7.62x33mm) and resembles the Beretta M38 submachinegun. See W.H.B.Smith Small Arms of the World Naaman Brown (talk) 03:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Follow up: Kiraly designed the delayed blowback carbines Model 1, Model 2 and Model 1962 in .30 Carbine, and he also designed the gas operated rifle Model 3 in 7.62x51mm NATO. The Beretta engineers working at San Cristobal in 1950 insisted on putting a wooden rifle stock (modeled after that of the Beretta M38A) on the Cristobal Model 2. The operating system is Kiraly's not Beretta's. The resemblance is cosmetic only. Naaman Brown (talk) 00:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Rifle relative. (From likely to be deleted article.)
The Cristobal Model 3 (Pistola Ametralladora Cristóbal Modelo 3) was a battle rifle designed by Pál Király and manufactured in the Dominican Republic by the Armeria San Cristóbal. The weapon was chambered in the 7.62×51mm NATO round and fed from FN FAL magazines. Model 3 in 1961 as a competitor with the Belgian FN FAL, an assault rifle using the more powerful 7.62×51mm NATO caliber. By 1961 service showed that the Modelo 2 overheated in automatic fire. The improved Modelo 3 (or 'Mk 3') discarded the original wooden hand guard for a perforated sheetmetal fore-end and the gun could accept an FN export-pattern knife bayonet. A number of guns were also made with a tubular folding butt. This rifle had the M14 type gas tube and regulator underneath the barrel. The ammunition box was vertical, not inclined like the carbine. After Trujillo's death (assassination), the new Dominican government was not interested in Dominican weapon manufacturing and the M3 was not adopted by the Dominican Armed Forces.[1] Kiraly Cristobal Carbine Submachine Gun & Machine Pistol