Talk:Culture of Italy/Archive 1

Google Books .it links
Is there a reason to be linking to books.google.it? It's an English article, but the .it domain forces Google into Italian localization. I assume that most people reading this article in English would like to use the same language on Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinthrelkeld (talk • contribs) 02:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Disputed statement
"''The traditionally large Italian family has been largely replaced by a preference by parents for a single child who is, by Anglo-American standards, lavishly indulged." '' I dispute this statement and will edit it out in a few days if no one objects. Giano 08:53, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wrong link
Link to "protestant" religions is wrong. Links to an American band.

my name is clorissa and i think the person who typed all of this is just messing around and dont know nothing. be carfull of what you read on the internet thanks

Bad Article
Italy has one of the most rich and important culture of the world'history... this article is very disappointed and short. The cinema section is poor.. we should mention Fellini, Bertolucci, Visconti and others oscar-winning. The introduction is ridicolous: food and sport, is that all? The section about art? 70% of the world art is in Italy.. Literature: no mention at all?? The "italian literature" article is good, we should put references here.. Architecture: only the palladian and roman style? And what about the Renaissaince, Michelangelo's and Brunelleschi's works, the barocco period, the neo-classical one Next week, if I have time, i'll propose some improvements...


 * Absolutely. I have written an entry for the "Culture of Italy" section of the main Italy article. I'm hoping that it can be furthur expanded to include Italy's contemporary influence and culture, such as through sports and fashion. Unfortunately, I lack the knowledge of this, and as it currently stands, this article itself is hardly adequate to provide me a basis for beginning. Sicilianmandolin 05:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Expansion
I will further expand this later today but I don't have the time to now. Falphin 16:26, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Unless someone else takes up the task I will also add the links to the Music of Italy sections.

Music section
Does anyone object to replacing more or less the entire "Music" section with the existing introduction from the recently updated Music of Italy page? I think this will bring the music section in line with the other sections. Does Italian hip-hop deserve the same space as all of Italian sport and more than food on this page?Vineviz 22:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Clothes
There should be a section on here on fashion and clothes, since Italy is a center of tailoring and such.

Minardi
If anyone is interested in Italian motorsports at all, there is an improvement drive on the Minardi Formula One team at present. Cheers. 4u1e

poor article
i think this should be ticked as below standard. it's empty, and seems to be have written by an american with its need to mention un important american things which are completely irrelvant to 'italian culture' like baseball even giving its geographic locations and italian hip hop in the music section.
 * I agree that this article needs a little help, mostly in improved coherence and notability. I'm doubt I have the time or skill to tackle it, but I hope that others may.Vineviz 18:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * See the Spanish version for a much better format: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultura_de_Italia . Even if you can't read Spanish, you get a sense of what this article should be. 66.183.217.31 01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Who can say that opposing gay "right" for adobtion or legally recognized "marriage" would be REPRESSIVE? Why we don't say it would be PROGRESSIVE? Let's abandon this Hegel's idea that civilization always progress... You cannot prove it to be true philosophically or via empiritical science. Yes, this is a poor article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.237.8.150 (talk) 10:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Offense to Italy
This article is higly offensive. I'm Italian, and my culture CANNOT 'be found on the terraces of many football clubs''. 'Stupid italian people'! We brought civilization to Europe, but we are stupid! This artcicle has surely been written by an american that knows nothing of Italy. There is nothing about Alfieri or Pirandello! Disgusting food! Is an American, with his fast-foods, that's speaking! An American, that has not been formed in classical culture! There is no referrence to the influence of classical culture in modern italy! And what about italian philosophers? THIS is Italian culture, and surely not those baseball players I have never seen! i hope that similar articles, with the clear aim to give a sterotypate image of Italy, will soon be removed.An angry italian, proud of his origins I amnt even Italian and I think it seems weird —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.99.198 (talk) 19:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear friends
To write a couple of pages on "culture of Italy" is a daunting task. It's equivalent to writing an essay entitled "Brief comments on the Universe". I appreciate the "naif" approach adopted by this article, but this is taking simplicity too far.

There is no reason for keeping this page. It should either be hugely expanded, or deleted.Giordaano 11:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Objection to removing piece about Italian families
I have lived in Italy for seven years now and based on my experience as a teacher do concurr most willingly with the statement made about Italian parents choosing to have one or two children. Even more important is the validity of the statement about Italian children being overindulged or spoilt. Italian children are brats! They are not to be blamed though, it is obviously entirely the fault of their parents who are just as badly behaved and, who themselves by practising "menefreghismo", convey to their offspring that it's o.k. to completely ignore and infringe on the rights, and to some extent the physical safety, of complete strangers. One of the reasons is defintely due to the wearying tendancy Italians have of blaming others for what goes wrong in their lives as a mechanism for ignoring their personal culpability! To be fair, Italian children are loud and rude but not evil or violent. I went to London recently and was appalled and quite frightned to witness the physical violence against adults and especially senior citizens by gangs of children of 10 - 12 years of age. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.110.158.130 (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC). that must be nice say hi to the gondolas

no snapshots
i think they should have more pictures

'Bold text' cjvbbjcv —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.82.30.94 (talk) 15:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I had to erase the "fdactsabout popular italian cheerleaders. you have got to be kidding me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.138.136 (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Education section
The second paragraph seems to have crept in from the Art section. I don’t have time to look at it just now, but if someone does have the time to fix it, that will be very helpful. Ian Spackman (talk) 09:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I am fixng everything
Hello, I am fixing all the problems with this article. I have at least made it twice as long, and my knowledge of Italian art and culture will make me able to improve this article dramatically

--Theologiae (talk) 09:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Extreme assertion has IMHO non-reliable source
"It is actually believed that over 70% of the world's art, culture and literature is found in Italy." This rather extreme assertion is sourced to http://www.astheromansdo.com/modern_art_in_rome.htm. IMHO, this website fails WP:RELIABLE and should not be used as a source. I have snipped this assertion from the article until we can provide better source. -- 201.29.171.232 (talk) 15:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I have taken away a template
By the way, I took away the template since the article now looks more or less in good shape. There is barely any info missing, and I think it's good as it is now.--Theologiae (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Culture of Italy
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Culture of Italy's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cia.gov": From Poland: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pl.html From Italy:  From Kosovo: CIA.gov 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

It is the CIA Italy one --Theologiae (talk) 14:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry ! I have improved this article. --93.148.99.25 (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks friend ( Marek.69 ) --93.148.98.237 (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

--93.148.98.251 (talk) 11:51, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

--93.148.98.241 (talk) 11:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

COLLAGE
Do you like my collage? http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7555/cultureofitaly.jpg It's much nicer! We want to replace it? As you load the image? All images were taken from wikipedia. --93.148.98.241 (talk) 16:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Big names
Italy produced a lot. Will update with calm. --Davide41 (talk) 13:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Works in Progress --Davide41 (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Erm, NO! There are other articles and categories for famous Italians, this article is about the culture of Italy, not the people that made the culture, there's a big difference there. A list of geniuses or talented people does not belong in the lead. You might want to add your contributions to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Italian_people. Take a look at WP:MOS before reverting, thank you, Brutal Deluxe (talk) 23:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There are no guidelines against explaining who contributed to the culture of Italy, however, massive lists with no reference to the content of the article are not acceptable. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 23:29, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I find it bizarre to refer to culture without referring to people. I have added some contributions of Italy to Western culture and I had to add names. I added explorations and scientific-technological contributions by Italians that changed the world and shaped it as it is today (no hyperbole here), to counterbalance the impression that Italy is only food, fashion and paintings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.251.61.251 (talk) 09:54, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Topic to add: Traditions Topic to add to:Fashion
I would like to add a topic and talk about the different traditions italian families have and cherish like making marinara sauce together, and the traditional roles of god parents. Also, the fashion section does not go into any detail about how important Italy is to the fashion world. I would like to add to that section. Zoeannc3434 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC).

Promotion by Council of Europe member states of an international moratorium on the death penalty
The source. books.google.it/books?id=2IR_kiu4DFAC&pg=PA111&lpg=#v=onepage&q&f=false "Italy's leading role in the fight against the death penalty follows a long tradition beginning in 1786, when the Grand Duchy of Tuscany was the first state in the world to abolish the death penalty." --Aries no Mur (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * It's right and I believe you, but what you wrote implies that the modern state of Italy banned the death penalty in 1786. That's wrong because Italy did not exist as a country at that time, and the death penalty was implemented several times since then by successor states. There's also a copyright issue, as you need to put things in your own words, not just copy what the source says. Furthermore, the issue is out of place in the lead since there is no discussion of it in the rest of the article, as it naturally belongs in the Capital punishment in Italy article and Category:Human rights in Italy. I'm guessing that you are eager to show that Italians do not like violence/killing, a stance that is admirable, but proven wrong by history and the daily news. I feel the issue does not belong in this article, I'm therefore removing this sentence again. The mayor of Yurp (talk) 22:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The Grand Duchy of Tuscany was the first European state to abolish the guild restrictions, and the first to adopt a penal code (based on the ideas of Cesare Beccaria) which included abolition of the death penalty (1786). The sources speak for themselves, but I don't wanna waste more time arguing with you. Greetings --Aries no Mur (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Aries no Mur. Brutaldeluxe is wrong. I think the erased sentence must be reinserted.--RossanaBianchi (talk) 14:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The source is reliable. The facts are incontrovertible and the conclusions inescapable. --Aries no Mur (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Schola Medica Salernitana
I deleted this information from Wikipedia... the reason:

" The earliest Western institution that can be called a university was a famous medical school that arose at Salerno, Italy, in the 9th century and drew students from all over Europe. It remained merely a medical school, however. The first true university was founded at Bologna late in the 11th century. " Source: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/618194/university --2.33.180.113 (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit reverted
Johnbod, did you mean to revert my prose copyedit of the "Cuisine" section, or was there a misclick? I was mystified, as my edit was merely stylistic and you reverted quite a bit of poor writing back in. For instance, before my edit there was this: There are many significant regional dishes that have become both national and regional. Many dishes that were once regional, however, have proliferated in different variations across the country in the present day. It says the same thing twice over. I removed the second sentence (as being the most uncertain in tone and syntax; what's "however" doing there?) but removing the first and keeping the second would have worked too. You reverted the redundance back in, and other bits of incoherent writing that I had IMO improved, with an edit summary of "rvt-you're just wrong". That presumably referred to Slurpy and the IP as well as me since you reverted us all... at least I think you did... actually, I'm having trouble figuring out quite where you reverted to, and I've got bored clicking through the history. But the bulk of your revert was of my copyedit. I see Slurpy has now re-reverted, referring to lack of consensus. Thanks, I think that's an improvement. Bishonen &#124; talk 10:46, 22 February 2013 (UTC).
 * No, I'm not sure how that happened. Fine now - this article needs all the help it can get. Johnbod (talk) 15:01, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * For your information and delight, Manual of Style/Spelling/Words ending with "-ise" or "-ize" discusses the vagaries of Oxford spelling which looks alien to most of the UK and to computer spellcheckers (Mac OS anyway). Currently the language map caption includes "Understood by some due to former colonisation" which is ok by me, an option might be "Understood by some, in former colonies". . . dave souza, talk 13:02, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of that, as a natural Oxford speller myself (like, I rather think, most big English content writers here). The trouble is that a high proportion of American editors think only -ise is British English, and once they see an -ize, many feel entitled to Americanize the whole article. Johnbod (talk) 14:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Theaters
Ehr, the article says "Additionally, there are fifteen publicly owned theaters and numerous privately run ones in Italy.". In the whole Tuscany there are some 190 public and private theatres (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatri_d%27Italia), not to mention the other 19 regions....79.37.202.90 (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for all this information. This page is excellent and very well written. 82.59.197.208 (talk) 14:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

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