Talk:Curly Howard

Some of this material contains too many colloquialisms.
Greasysteve13 09:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
I redid the page and removed the "verify" tag, all the information seemed to come from reputable sources. Though I don't have a specific source for it, I think it's safe to assume that Curly is considered to be the favorite Stooge. Right? MorrisGregorian 07:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Lou Costello
I seem to remember a statement that Lou Costello incorporated (or copied) Curly's high pitched voice into his routine. Can anyone confirm?

AlGorup 15:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Greed
"Sometime in his late teens, Curly married a young girl, whose name remains a mystery to this day. His mother, Jennie Horwitz, was against the idea of Curly's marrying at such a young age and had the marriage annulled."

That was mentioned on Greed. The guy said it was his great great, or great (I think great great) aunt. He said they apparently weren't in love and she didn't like him (he was laughing and I doubt he knew much about it) and it lasted only ten days. So if you want to put it lasted ten days, yeah, but it's from an episode if Greed that I can't find the episode number of. It was on at 10pm on November 29th, EST time though. But I know it's not a good source so I doubt it'll be mentioned. Maybe it can be said it's just an iffy fact?

Even if not, it's still pretty cool.-Babylon pride 03:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

untitled discussion
A while back, your biography of Jerome "Curly" Howard contained this paragraph:

"Jerry had been expelled from high school around 1920 after he and several fellow male students visted a brothel in Brooklyn during a class field trip. Only a fair student, and probably because of this incident, Jerry never graduated from high school."

There was no citation, and I've never seen this printed anywhere about the Three Stooges. Today, this fabrication has been changed to:

"Jerry was expelled from high school after an alleged incident circa 1920 where he and some other male classmates had visited a brothel in Brooklyn during a class field trip and Jerry had spent the night with in (sic) escort. After the incident, Jerry decided not to graduate..."

Now it's been changed to, not only did he visit a brothel, but he spent the night with an escort. Let's see your sources, other than your own head. Wikipedia, if you're going to allow someone to come on here and fabricate things about someone who's dead and can't defend themselves, then please, allow others to remove it.

Please get it right (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The author had better check his facts. Even the birth and death dates are wrong. According to IMDB, Jerome Howard was born 22 October, 1903, and died 18 January, 1952. I noticed other errors too. And considering how much has been written about Curly, in my POV, he deserves a lot more article than he gets here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.130.4.118 (talk • contribs)

"Teen marriage" and "mystery first wife" is an urban legend
The business about Jerome "Curly" Howard being married for the first time in his teens, the marriage annulled and his first wife's identity being "a mystery to this day" is an urban legend (that info was probably copied out of an old book from 25 or more years ago). Info on Curly's first wife is known, and was researched by a member of The Three Stooges Fan Club, back in 1995. Unfortunately, i do not have a copy of that issue (The Three Stooges Journal) handy, but here is a link to a citation from it:

http://www.threestooges.net/index.php?main=/journal.php&action=view&id=76

His first wife's name was Julia Rosenthal. They were married in 1930 (Jerome would have been about 27 years old at the time, not a teenager). They were divorced (not annulled). Sorry I can't provide more concrete documentation at this moment, but this is the truth. No "mystery woman" and no "teen marriage."

Have a great day.

Someone please change the wikipedia article to reflect this, as it still, as of March 6, 2020, states that Curly's mother had the first marriage annulled, which does not make sense at all upon reading, since Curly was then in his 20's-TWENties- and his mother would ostensibly have had no say in his marriage. {{{{ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.16.4 (talk) 02:09, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up the article to reflect this. The Journal article appeared in the Winter 1995 edition (reference to this has been noted).Oanabay04 (talk) 13:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Mark Yurkiw —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.67.132 (talk) 04:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC).


 * All that information about his marriage at 27 and their divorce might be true. But it doesn't contradict the teen marriage story. The fact that the teen marriage and annulment is mentioned in his neice's book must lend some credibility to it.  140.147.160.78 17:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza
 * Actually, Curly's niece has gone obn record as saying the Julia Rosenthal marriage was indeed the first one and that the annulled one has essentially been voided. The article has been cleaned up to reflect this.Oanabay04 (talk) 13:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction
The article first states that he had some minor strokeS (note the plural) but then later had his second stroke. Which is correct? Stusutcliffe 19:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Stusutcliffe - no one really knows for sure if Curly had one minor stroke shortly before If a Body Meets a Body (where it is readily noticable), or had several minor ones throughout 1945. Either way, the one that did him in was on the set of Half-Wits Holiday. Now, whether or not that was his second stroke or just the big one after several small ones is anyone's guess.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Curly biography
Hello all - I agree that this biography on Curly is poorly compiled. It has been edited, chopped, and pasted together in such a slapdash fashion, it is embarrassing. I am in the process of slowly cleaning this page up, to bring it up to the standards of the master Three Stooges page, complete with citations, quotes, and the facts. Just give me a little time, as I have spent most of my free time working on the individual pages for the 190 shorts (see List of Three Stooges shorts). Oanabay04 (talk) 19:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Item removed from Trivia
I removed this from the Trivia section because it isn't well-written (and makes me rather suspicious):
 * When Curly was a young boy. He start to mess with one of his father pistols. He accidentally shot his own foot with the pistol leaving the bullet inside his foot. His brother Moe came and save him from what had happen to him and told his parents to take him to the doctor. But curly did not like the doctor at all never wanted surgery wanting the bullet removed from his foot. So Curly Kept the bullet on his foot making his own little foot dance. When he makes the step back with his foot when he raises it and walks back. As it shows that he still has the bullet on his foot

- furrykef (Talk at me) 13:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's also already covered in the article, in something resembling real English. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 14:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Curly biography rewritten, expanded
Hello all - Ok, all. I reviewed the article is detail and have added some sections, and rewritten others. Hope this clears up many factual inaccuracies. The major discoverey over the last 25+ has been the revelation of Curly's first marriage.Oanabay04 (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Incorporate Curly's formal Hebrew name

 * According to the Hebrew inscription on Curly's gravestone, his formal Hebrew name was "Yehudah Lev son of Shelomo Natan the Levite".

I'm not sure where in the article is the most appropriate place to add this information. It is transliterated directly from the Hebrew inscription on Curly's gravestone and is his given formal Hebrew name. I can read Hebrew and have verified the transliteration as accurate. It was previously in the Trivia section.

Perhaps the most appropriate place to add the information would be the 'early life' section. Bubbadersh (talk) 22:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Curly's Nickname Conception
Which one of these two lines from the article is true? Is it Ted Healy or Shemp's Wife that caused the change?:

"Because he was the youngest, his brothers called him "Babe" to tease him. The nickname stuck with him all his life, although when Shemp married Gertrude Frank, who was also nicknamed "Babe," the brothers started calling him Curly to avoid confusion"

"Ted took one look at Jerry, with his chestnut-red locks and elegant waxed mustache and stated that he was not a funny character like Moe and Larry. Jerry left the room and returned minutes later with a shaved head and face. Healy quipped, "Boy, don't you look girlie?" Moe misheard the joke as "curly" and all who witnessed the exchange realized that the nickname "Curly" would be a perfect fit."
 * What is "girlie" about a shaved head?

12:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.24.119.11 (talk)

Answer: BOTH. The Ted Healy story is about how he got the stage-name "Curly." The story about Shemp's wife is about how his stage name became his real-life nickname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Costello
I'll leave "siphoning", but it just sounds weird to me. What is siphoning, in this context, if not stealing? Why not say stealing? Siphoning just sounds like an attempt to be cute or clever, not really in keeping with encyclopedic style. But that's just MHO. Monkeyzpop (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Gerald or Jerome?
I've heard both. Which is true, or neither? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longinus876 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Conflict between Harry Cohn article and this
Harry Cohn article says "there is a popular myth that he forced Curly Howard of the Stooges to keep working after suffering a series of minor strokes, which led to a further deterioration of Howard's health and his eventual retirement. [5] That is untrue. Production records for 1945 and 1946 clearly show that the amount of time Curly spent filming was minimal ... " 109.145.112.211 (talk) 01:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Hmmm... That paragraph (Harry Cohn, bottom of section) is unsourced. It was adding by an IP address in May 2014. I've corrected the conflict there and rephrased it to explain that it was according to one biographer. That should help clear up some of the WP:NPOV issues. Grayfell (talk) 01:50, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

3 stooges ancestry
What is the historical ancestry of the 3 stooges. P aren't and grand parents? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.221.132.46 (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC) Why was Curly Howard not also buried with his last wife at his side, and if not where was she buried? It seems all the brothers were buried together or near each other, however I'd expect Curly's wife would of took priority to be buried beside him, and the bothers that were not married beside her. Where were the other brother's wives buried? Was Curly's last wife buried by herself or with her family? A family as rich as the Howards I'm sure could have a afforded a large plot where all the families could have been buried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.70.102 (talk) 08:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Moidalise?
I have the phrase ‘I’ll moidalise [murder] da bum!’ in my head, attributed to The Stooges, and Curly in particular, but is that correct? Was it a Moe-ism, or some other source entirely? 2001:44B8:3102:BB00:1938:3FF8:E87:36CE (talk) 20:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Word modification.
"Ah-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba!" – used during his later years,a sort of nonsense, high-pitched yelling that signified being scared or overly excited.

In this section, "nonsense" should be changed to "nonsensical." 142.170.61.116 (talk) 00:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)