Talk:Curmsun Disc

Reference to Mr. Ben Affleck
Section "Origin" contains the following statement:

"....The entrance to the crypt was accidentally discovered by 12-year-old (according to Swedish archaeologist Sven Rosborn) Heinrich Boldt (actor Ben Affleck's maternal great-great grandfather), who was playing with some younger children at a construction site near the ruined chapel. ...."

This statement -as far as it concerns Mr. Affleck's maternal ancestry- lacks profound prove!

It is totally correct and absolutely proven that Mr. Affleck's maternal great-great grandfather is a man who emigrated from Prussia to the US anytime before 1850. His name -at least partly- anglicized was, Henry Boldt. BUT: it is not proven at all, that this "Henry Boldt" is identical with the said-to-be "Henry Boldt / Heinrich Boldt" who "accidentally discovered the Curmsun Disc".BorEliz20 (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed, and it has been removed again as unsourced (and irrelevant trivia) by me and an anon editor.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Failed verification, ambiguous use of terms

 * "Surface analysis by a gemologist, Jonny Westling,[ref 1: westlingvardering.se] appointed by the Swedish Chamber of Commerce and Lloyd's/Brookfield Underwriting, Stockholm, showed natural inclusions and patination.[ref 2: thecurmsundisc.com]


 * 1) Ref 2 from this sentence failed verification, see The Curmsun Disc website – Metallurgical Analysis. Accessed today, seems complete, but has nothing on who appointed the gemologist, Jonny Westling. His website connects to this Wiki article, maybe he added the info (not allowed)?
 * 2) "Swedish Chamber of Commerce": which? There are several. Maybe The Swedish Chamber of Commerce for the United Kingdom, but maybe not.
 * 3) "natural inclusions": Meaning what? Metals in the alloy contained impurities from smelting process, or casting mistake (see Inclusion (casting))? Arminden (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing happened her yet, @Arminden. I reakted now, when looking at the Swedish article on this and then check here. To namedrop a persons webpage (Westling) with no link to the dish does not make it a source. I delete it now. Adville (talk) 10:13, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

No mention of dubious authenticity
Danish archeologists are highly dubious about the entire story of Sven Rosborn and the claimed events surrounding its disovery, and have questioned whether the disk is authentic at all. I don't think this article can be considered neutral or objective untill this perspective is prominently included. Here s a danish webarticle about Rosborn's claims, and reactions from Danish and Norwegian archeologists. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 11:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I added a short section with this information. Mårtensås (talk) 15:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone removed it wholesale, so I added it back with a bit of expansion and elaboration.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 08:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Could there be a possible WP:COI with user AnnSydow? Over 7 years they have only edited pages closely related to Sven Rosborn's publications, removing critical opinions ( from 2019, from 2023 that removed my section), (re)adding irrelevant information about Ben and Casey Affleck  or uncritical photos of the Curmsun disc in various articles such as Pomerania during the Early Middle Ages, Ottonian art , and Crux gemmata.
 * Clearly this is not a regular history interest; the user is only focused on this specific disk and on citing Sven's publications, and over an extended time period as well. From the username and the language (academic English, but with some telling grammatical errors like "Page are ready", "US Americans" and referring to "as described in Swedish newspapers" which indicates familiarity with the language), they seem to be Swedish. Personally connected to Sven? Mårtensås (talk) 16:08, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Or emotionally connected to Ben Affleck, who knows. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 17:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The user just returned to remove a reliable source, add an unreliable source, and change the meaning in the "Authenticity controversy" section. The authors of that source do not appear to believe that the disc is authentic in any way, so softening the language to "dating" sounds like an NPOV violation to me. Woodroar (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Pontus Weman Tell source
It looks like this source by Pontus Weman Tell was restored to the article (along with some associated claims) with the edit summary of The work of P. Weman was written under supervision of Ph D Jens Nieling at the Center of Black Sea Studies at Aahus University. However, this does not appear to meet our requirements for scholarly sources. The source was self-published at academia.edu, not in a peer-reviewed journal. Per the author's own bio, he has degrees in unrelated fields (Economics and Law) that terminated at the master's level. Our requirements allow for doctoral dissertations that have undergone peer review, and in some cases master's dissertations that have been peer-reviewed and are widely cited by scholars, but that is not the case here. Thoughts from others? Woodroar (talk) 15:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)