Talk:Cyclone Klaus

Portugal
I think Portugal should be added to the list of countries affected, but without casualties: On Sunday there were reports of more than 20 houses partially destroyed in Batalha, and heavy snowfall across central and northern Portugal. (info easy to find on google news) 81.84.183.85 (talk) 22:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Map
Any suggestions on how I can improve my map are very welcome here!  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You could add the places were people died, or at least Sant Boi de Llobregat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.86.2 (talk) 01:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Saint Boi de Llobregat is very near to Barcelona, so I think it would be easier to say Sain Boi de Llobregat is near to Barcelona in the article's prose than to add it to the map.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  01:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move (old)

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The result of the move request was already moved to January 2009 Bay of Biscay storm; this is the only title which seems to have enjoyed significant support, and the only one without significant objections. --Aervanath (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Remove some idiot's mentions of snails and berets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinillum (talk • contribs) 16:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Looking from where the storm goes, I wouldn't quite call this Mediterranean. How about January 2009 South-west Europe storm? Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what I was thinking. Either that or January 2009 Bay of Biscay storm. I believed it reached its peak across the Bay of Biscay.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  12:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah well, I'll put this on WP:RM. Simply south not SS, sorry 13:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea!  Jolly  Ω   Janner  13:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely not Mediterranean. I go with the name proposed by Jolly Janner, since the Bay of Biscay is where it formed or where it was strongest; Simply South's proposal is also good. It seems like meteorologists called the storm "Klaus", it could be another candidate name. - Keta (talk) 16:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was also thinking along the lines of Klaus, because it kept popping up in other languages. After failing to find any English sources of it, I dismissed it.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  16:41, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The article has been renamed to January 2009 Bay of Biscay storm. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll go change the Commons category as well.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  22:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed from WP:RM as this appears to have been settled. Please relist if this is not the case. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 05:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The article should actually be named Klaus (windstorm) (which currently redirects to this page) as European windstorms receive names. I'm not sure it can be changed for the time being as it is on the main page but once it is able to be moved, it should be moved to the appropriate name. Source of name: Cyclonebiskit 07:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I dunno if it "should" (the scheme is nowhere as official as hurricane naming is), but the French and Spanish media do refer to it by the name (at least some of them), if that is relevant. Circeus (talk) 18:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It would also follow the style of other windstorm articles, such as Emma (windstorm) or Kyrill (storm). Cyclonebiskit 18:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What makes this storm not a hurricane? Rotational (talk) 04:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This storm was either an Extratropical cyclone or a non-tropical cyclone. Hurricanes are tropical systems. Cyclonebiskit 05:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, obviously hurricanes wander where they please and don't pay much attention to categories devised by humans.....Why not call it the 2009 Bay of Biscay cyclone. Do I then understand correctly that the label applied depends on the geographical location, despite that they are the same meteorological phenomenon? That is like saying we have abductions south of the equator, but north of the equator they're called kidnappings. Rotational (talk) 14:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

This image File:Global tropical cyclone tracks-edit2.jpg shows tracks of tropical cyclones. Spain seems to be right in there.....Rotational (talk) 14:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This storm not the same classification as a hurricane however, you are correct in saying that it's a cyclone. The hurricanes that hit Spain are almost always extratropical. Only two known tropical cyclones have hit Spain, the 1842 Spain hurricane and a weakened Hurricane Vince (2005), both were extremely rare events. Cyclonebiskit 15:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Then this one's a headsup - they might just become quite common! ciao Rotational (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I've just got back from an interesting week in France - I was staying near the Mediterranean just under the 3rd arrow from the left on the article's map! The following day (Sunday), people were eating outside restaurants. Before and during the storm, the French and British news media (including a BBC TV weather forecast on the Friday evening) were referring to it as an "Atlantic storm". I belive that is a recognised technical term. (It's certainly not a hurricane as explained above, despite having "hurricane force winds".) The French media are now referring to the event as "La Tempête" (note caps!). Anyone reading French might want to look at the Méteo France website and particularly at this page which is all about the storm. Note that Méteo's map - which we must presume to be accurate - does not support the one which appears in this article. Emeraude (talk) 18:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You must inform the Germans and Poles that their articles have the wrong titles - "it is not a hurricane". These distinctions are pedantic hair-splitting - cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons are all the same thing and categorising them according to their point of origin is hopelessly artificial. ciao Rotational (talk) 06:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevertheless, it's what meteorologists do. Emeraude (talk) 14:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

That meteorologists use a flawed system is no excuse for perpetuating it. ciao Rotational (talk) 09:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am the author of the German article. I didn't write that this storm is a hurricane (= German Hurrikan). You messed it up with the word Orkan which is used in the German language for winds with at least 12 BF – what, otherwise, in English is described hurricane-force.
 * Another thing, to MF's map on their webpage you gave above. Did you see that the (lower) map is the wind strength map of the 1999 tempête, in Europe commonly referred as Lothar and not this year's storm? --Matthiasb (talk) 21:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The German title is "Orkan Klaus" - "Orkan" translates to "hurricane", not "hurricane-force". ciao Rotational (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * E-e. Please have a look at Beaufort scale and then de:Beaufortskala, or look at de:Hurrikan. An Orkan is simply a windstorm with BF 12 or more (and therefore in German language per se each hurricane is also an Orkan). --Matthiasb (talk) 14:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone mind if i put this back onto WP:RM as seems not to be closed? Simply south not SS, sorry 12:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Readded. Simply south not SS, sorry
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Removed news item about Italy
I have removed the mention to an unsourced fact apparently not related to this storm. The news appears to be this: http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/news_collection/awnplus_ticker/2009-01-25_125283958.html, and it refers to an accident in Southern Italy (far from the present path of the storm), nor any mention is made of the storm. Goochelaar (talk) 11:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, finnish news agency was too fast reporting that in connection to the storm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.74.159 (talk) 15:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge
There appears to be another article talking about the same thing at January 2009 European storm. Ksbrown talk 23:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Deads
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFx6G9AxzlMnJfrI_QNV_F3LeX_Q http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/medio-ambiente/noticias/997208/01/09/El-temporal-de-viento-se-aleja-de-Cataluna-y-deja-ocho-victimas-mortales.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5590338.ece

The list is higher now, could some one post all the list and correct the mistakes of the main page? My English isn't good enough to do it :S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.86.2 (talk) 00:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Max gusts
The intro, second para, originally said "Peak gusts were 180 km/h". This was edited by user:80.186.173.37 to say "Peak gusts were over 200 km/h", with the editing rationale that this was "on the list". The edit was subsequently reverted with no explanation. However, 80.186.173.37 was quite correct in saying that the list in the infobox states 216km/h was recorded in Andorra and, indeed, the same figure is given elsewhere in the article. Checking with the official French meteo site (link at foot of article) I find that "..le chef du CDM66 a annoncé une rafale de 216km/h au Col d'Envalira (2409m d'altitude, au dessus du Pas de la Case). Jamais de telles valeurs n'avaient été enregistrées." So, it seems the 216 figure, though exceptional, is entirely accurate and thus so was the 200km/h edit to the intro, which I will now replace. Emeraude (talk) 16:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was moved. Aervanath (talk) 04:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

January 2009 Bay of Biscay storm → Klaus (storm) &mdash; Per other European windstorm names such as: Per (storm) and Kyrill (storm). Klaus seems far more specific to this storm, as there were probably lots of little insignificatn storms in the Bay of Biscay during January 2009.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  14:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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