Talk:Cyclone Owen

This ref
This reference → was once mentioned in the article, but it was removed from it after a lead and MH reform in the GA review. This ref describes just how early Owen formed, and user:Hurricanehink's last comments in the review said "every sentence in the article must be cited". Where can I put this ref? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Is there anything from that link that cites something in the article? If not, you don't need to include it. You only need to have a reference for what's mentioned in the article. Otherwise, useful links should go in an External Links section. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It once cited the sentence "Owen was one of the earliest tropical cyclones to form in the Coral Sea". But when Jason told me to remove refs from the lead, it was removed from the lead. At that time, the Coral Sea near-record was also mentioned in the MH, but that part was removed as well, so now there is funny-looking uncited material. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:22, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think Jason meant to remove the ref from the lead, but not from the article. If that fact doesn't belong in the MH, then you should remove it from the lead too, along with the ref. You had said that Owen was one of the earliest tropical cyclones to form in the Coral Sea, but that's not true. The source even mentions a storm occurring in September, which is earlier than December, and that Owen was only the earliest since 2008. That would be like saying a storm was the earliest to form in the Gulf of Mexico in 10 years, I'm not sure we would add that, as it's fairly trivial. Unless there's anything else from that reference worth adding to the article, you can just get rid of it. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with removing that so called record as I note that tropical cyclones have existed in the Coral Sea in July, August September October and November before now. We generally do not put records in that we have to qualify several times.Jason Rees (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've removed it. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  09:57, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

To do before GA review
Have the issues from the previous GAN been addressed? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think so.  SMB9 9thx   my edits!  01:58, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Since October 5, I've sourced everything that isn't already sourced, removed that Coral Sea bit, and followed your last instructions. So, I believe, yes. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  11:31, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Lead
It needs to be longer, as Owen lasted nearly a month. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ JoeMT615 (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Meteorological History (MH)
As Jason Rees said, it needs references to the JTWC. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The JTWC warnings and now their best track analysis will help tell the tale of Owen.Jason Rees (talk) 12:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Will do. I'm adding info first, then when it's time to do so, I'll rewrite. PAIN.  Mario Jump  83!  02:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I went through and spell and grammar checked. I saw a lot of JTWC refs in there so I think it's good for now. JoeMT615 (talk) 12:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Effects
Needs a complete rewrite. I'll have to get help from LD2K or MarioJump83 on this. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Since I removed the forecasts, the paragraphs have been pretty short. this page has some high sea wind warnings (from the BoM) that I could use to make a preparations section. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The Northern Territory section specifically needs development. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * High sea forecasts won't help you prepare a preparations section, you have to basically remember that Owen was so weak at the time of the first landfall on Queensland that it didn't require watches or warnings. In fact I wonder if its not better to just combine the NT and QLD sections into Australia or similar.Jason Rees (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Then that'd be the only impacts content. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Forecasts are part of the preps, I believe. But only one of them aren't it.  Mario Jump  83!  02:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments from MarioJump83
We know that the effects section needs to be completely redone. Where I can search for the information about Cyclone Owen's effects? I want to see this article becoming GA, and I don't want to see the repeat of Chicdat's problems (effects are forecasts).  Mario Jump  83!  11:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Google is your friend as is the BoM.Jason Rees (talk) 12:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Can someone please give me specific criteria for me to do? Without that, I always procrastinate, as you've seen. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No replies for a week, pinging and . Oh, and also . 🐔 Chicdat   Bawk to me!  11:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you have to avoid sources that use forecasts in their content. Use sources that described impacts of Owen only.  Mario Jump  83!  11:14, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed forecasts. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! It looks closer to Cyclone Ava now, which to be quite honest I worked hard to get that article GA.  Mario Jump  83!  00:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, in Owen the MH is just three lines shorter. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  11:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I starting to realize that this is our work, not just your work... based on our interactions.  Mario Jump  83!  03:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

GAN
Is this ready for GAN? I'm being very cautious about this. But it's been improved all the way to B, and that's just a heartbeat away from GA. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me! 11:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not yet. You may want to check WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests before nominating it, but I suggest that you shouldn't do it for now.  Mario Jump  83!  13:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll wait until summer or May. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  13:35, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll nominate this for you. BTW, please hold off from working this article all the way to FA. I don't think there is enough information necessary for that to happen.  Mario Jump  83!  03:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed "FA" from my todo list. Thank you for nominating. I'll do what I can do with Owen. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  10:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, you did the right thing here. I have gone to all things about Owen and I could not find anything that would ever make Owen FA (top notch sources are required). I think GA is at very least the best case where this article will end up being.  Mario Jump  83!  02:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * GA is enough for me. 🐔 Chicdat  Bawk to me!  09:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)