Talk:D6 System

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Why on earth is the d20 logo on this page? Perhaps I am mistaken but I don't think the two systems are related except that they are both systems used for RPGs
 * I removed the picture and totally agree with you.

Okay, here we can discuss editing plans. User:WBSparks 10:46pm 10/03/06 (MST)

D6 image
I've removed the D6 image; this article is about the sytem, not the die. User:Segsegreyjanra holds that "D6 Die image is relevant to this article as the Game System uses SIX SIDED DICE IN THE GAME"; but that's true of the bulk of RPGs, board games and wargames. Shall we add a D6 image to every game in wikipedia? No. Percy Snoodle 10:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The D6 System uses only six-sided dice. Because six-sided dice are so commonplace, they're much easier to find than most specialized dice, and that's a significant enough feature of the game to have a picture of six-sided dice. Almost all articles on dice games include pictures of their dice. The article on the d20 system, for example, has an image of all 7 types of dice that it uses. The article on Shadowrun has an image the specialized Shadowrun dice. It's really not much different from the way that the article on poker shows an image of cards, or the article on racing shows an image of a race car. Perhaps there should be a paragraph added that talks briefly about the reasons for using only six-sided dice, and the caption on the image adjusted. That far I could go. But the fact is that you have repeatedly removed this image, against repeated reverts by no less than 4 different users. I'm glad that you finally mentioned something on the talk page, but you should have done it much earlier.  The image should stay -hupersonity   June 23, 2006


 * GURPS uses only six-sided dice. Over the Edge uses only six-sided dice.  The Tri-Stat system uses only six-sided dice.  Monopoly (game) uses only six-sided dice.  Settlers of Catan uses only six-sided dice.  I could go on, and on, and on.  It's not a reason to include the image, and it really doesn't add to the article.  Percy Snoodle 15:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes the Dice image might need a little rework to make it fit better with the page. I initially put it there because I was searching wikipedia for just a good image to represent the game and so didn't really change the tags that I used from elsewhere since I was trying to get a page up and not learn all the nuances of Wiki page code.  -Segsegreyjanra  June 27, 2006.


 * We now have plenty of illustrative images, and someone's put the caption "roll a 1 and you might be in trouble..." which isn't exactly the encyclopedic tone we're supposed to use. Can we dump the image yet? Percy Snoodle 09:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to dump the image, then you might want to start crusading against the other uses of it and other dice. The rpg-stub template uses the image of a D10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ten_sided_die_45px_transparent_bg.png).  The D20 System page has an image of the dice used in that system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DnD_Dice_Set.jpg).  And the very image you are whining about is used in a number of places including the RPG Template.  So, if you don't like the caption (which is a minor joke about a rule in the D6 System), then change the caption.  Last I checked, there was nothing wrong with an encyclopedia having a little humour in the articles.


 * "crusading", "whining" - No personal attacks, please. Yes, the d20 system page has a set of polyhedral dice; most readers will be unfamiliar with nonstandard dice.  Very few will be unfamiliar with six-sided ones.  I think we will have to agree to disagree about including "jokes" as image titles. Percy Snoodle 13:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * so, lets see if I can get this straight. You removed the image because it "wasn't relevant" because of the caption, et. al.  It gets restored not once, but twice by users and a caption change was made to make it relevant.  So you leave the image now, but change the caption so that it is basically the same caption that it originally had because you don't think humour has any place in an encyclopedia?  So, we are basically back to square one and the only other die image you refute as having relevance to an article is the pictures of the die used by the D20 system when 3 different images placed on approximately 20 different pages are shown as examples of dice images being used on wikipedia.

SW Cover Image?
Not sure how that cover is any more relevant to this article than the image of the 6-sider dice. D6 has nothing to do with SW other than a similarity to the system used when WEG had the license for it.


 * The two systems are virtually identical. In some alternate universe where WEG had retained the SW licence, the D6 System would have been released as another SWRPG version, and a large number of gamers who played the D6 SWRPG have treated it as such. A large number of people who find this page deliberately will be people running D6 SW games that are curious about what's been happening with the system. However, all that was more to educate you than to argue - it should be explained in the article better, but an image of the SW cover is not really warranted. -hupersonity June 23, 2006


 * Sorry. The comment in regards to the SW cover was basically thinking along the lines of why the dice image was being removed.  If the dice weren't relevant to the article, then how was the cover of the now defunct WEG Star Wars RPG. -Segsegreyjanra  June 26, 2006.

List of published materials under 2nd History heading
There is a category page for D6 System games that is virtually empty. It seems to me that this list should be moved to that page, and more specific information about those games put onto their own pages.

I understand the motive behind including this section, but it should integrated as prose, not simply listed. That's what the category page is for. hupersonity 7:37pm MT June 23, 2006

I've put together most of the content on this page and the other pages in the D6 System from my own knowledge and posts to the WEG forums (yes, that is me keeping that wiki thread alive). -Segsegreyjanra June 26, 2006.

I found some of the other RPGs for WEG already created, they just lacked the Category:D6 System tag to add them to the list. Several need work including Bloodshadows, Fires of Amatsumara, and DC Universe. At least two don't exist yet (MIB and Hercules & Xena). -Segsegreyjanra June 27, 2006.

General re-write
I was the one who, as WBSparks [unusuable username, hence the change] got the ball rolling on this page. There wasn't much to speak of prior to that, and I managed to get some D6 people interested in contributing.

The initial write-up was done by a fellow named Maur on the WEG forums, who I don't think ever registered a username. I was very grateful for his efforts, so I didn't say anything about the way it had been put together, but I now think that most of the objections I've seen from users like Snoodle can be pinned on the general structure of the article. For example, his beef with the dice image would probably not exist if the importance of the dice was properly explained in the artcle. So I'm going to take it on myself to complete re-structure and re-write the article, and when finished I'll run it past you all and hopefully it'll be well-recieved. In general, I'm going to try to move away from the lists and incomplete sections, and produce more of an encyclopedic style of article. But, because of WEG's bankruptcy and losing the SW licence, among some other things, exactly what constitutes "D6 System" can be a point of contention. For those of us who've been using D6 since the 80s, it's pretty clear that, for example, the SW rpg, is the same system. But it needs to be explained properly in the article, so that users like Snoodle, who are more concerned with general RPG article maintainance than with D6, are able to come in and make meaningful judgements. -hupersonity 12:50pm MT June 24, 2006

Have fun. -Segsegreyjanra June 26, 2006.


 * Oh, you're the man himself. Yeah, don't take it the wrong way, I just want to transform the lists into prose. You know, ideally, talk about the history and different products, rather than simply listing them. I'm glad that you've been keeping it alive - all I did was make a paragraph and a category page, and adjust a few links. But I know from lurking in talk pages that some things drive wikipedians nuts. The dice image is a great example - if there was something in the article that explained the importants and various utilities of using six-sided dice, and that's where the image was, then a guy like Snoodle probably wouldn't mind. I think it's the fact that it's just there, with no context, that bugs him.
 * I don't want to take a way from the work you've done - let's face it, there wasn't much here before you got started - but a situation where a wikipedian is verging on an edit war over something like an image of d6s in a D6 article is totally preventable simply by adding a few lines of explanation. -hupersonity 6:30pm MT June 26, 2006


 * Yes, if there was some context for it I'd have much less of a problem with it. ATM, floated down the bottom by the book covers,  it looks like the image goes with the "Legends system" section (though that depends on your font size).  Percy Snoodle 13:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

"History" section needs some whitespace
The "History" section is, on my screen, 17 lines of unbroken text. It needs to be divided up into at least two paragraphs, and ideally three. --Peter Knutsen 17:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree with you, and a lot of it was my doing. I've split it into three paragraphs, the first describing the classic period, the second covering the period during which it started actually being called "D6", and the final covering the current incarnations. Hope it looks better on your side. Dahak 16:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

shadowrun
Shouldn't there be a mention of shadowrun here? The versions I played all used 6 sided dice exclusively, with 1 being failure and 6 being a "roll again" totalling. 176.11.164.216 (talk)