Talk:Damned yellow composite

Should this be in wiktionary?
I started this page because there's at least one article that links to it, but I don't know whether there's enough information to make a full article. Any opinion on whether it belongs in wiktionary instead? Elf | Talk 18:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly. Could this article ever be expanded beyond a stub definition? Are there any sources that note its importance in popular culture? I use the term frequently, but know very little of it etymology. --Rkitko (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I made a half-hearted attempt to find some info about its background or use (other than its presence in a variety of web sites (also "damn yellow composite", "darned yellow composite," "darn yellow composite," maybe some other variants) but just found its usage, not its origin or any kind of study of the term. Also related but not so common, "d* white composite". Elf | Talk 00:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't contribute enough to wiktionary to know for sure, but I would think it would fit better there (maybe). The article does seem to be more about the term than about the study of such flowers or something more than that. Kingdon (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, another thought--I believe there's an equivalent in the birding world for certain birds (little brown bird? Or such?) and in geology for certain types of rocks? But I don't know what they are. I wonder whether a combined article or list could be made that would make more sense? Elf | Talk 00:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I started the LBJ page because I found this one, and was reminded of that... However, I think it's a good idea to draw them together into one article.  What would it be called?  A couple of others I can think of:
 * BGE, Bloody Great Eagle - any very large bird of prey.
 * Commic tern - either of the very similar Arctic Tern and Common Tern.
 * Ring-tail harrier - juveniles and females of several harriers (I've done this one already).
 * I'm sure there are many more. I do think there is more in this than a mere Wiktionary def.  If not given their own article, could these terms become a section in (the currently rather brief) Identification (biology)?  There are related concepts in identification, such as nicknames for particular species that help draw attention to identification features, and mnemonic identification phrases: "sedges have edges, rushes are round", and "consult the auricle" (for distinguishing the two British species of oak).  Richard New Forest (talk) 10:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's nothing about wiktionary articles that says they need to be short: think of OED entries which often are very long. Take a look at Wikipedia is not a dictionary and think about issues like whether "asteraceae identification" (if that were an article) would be combined or separate.  If this material is to stay on wikipedia, I'd say merge it to Synantherology, Identification (biology), taxa articles, etc. Kingdon (talk) 12:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry – when I said "mere", I didn't necessarily mean short, I meant it deserves more than mere definition. I do agree that there's precious little in this term alone – but, together with similar terms I think it does have notability as part of the culture surrounding taxonomy.  It is a little like emoticons – they are a social development from simple typing; LBJ, DYC etc are a social aspect of taxonomy. Richard New Forest (talk) 16:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It does not belong in wiktionary because its meaning is not more than a "sum of parts". I will help to expand the article here.  --Una Smith (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK and LBJ
Curtis Clark noticed a connection between DYK and LBJ (Lady Bird Johnson, her husband the President, and Little brown job). Maybe this could be developed further. --Una Smith (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Damnxanthodium
That genus should almost certainly be mentioned as another expression of the frustrations experienced in segregating these species. Circeus (talk) 19:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)