Talk:Danilo Türk

Shhhh!
Have u noticed how skillfully is avoided the fact that during the 80s Turk was representing Yugoslavia at the United Nations? Maybe someone tried to use that fact against him in the past, but actually he made a really good job in developing international law and was very respected. I ve accessed some of his job and i do appreciate it very much. Slovenia is lucky to have such a learned president and it shouldnt be shameful even if things ended how they ended. Its a pitty that politics bother the access to information, even if its undersatandable. Someday,i guess -hope-, it wont matter anymore and this article will be corrected.

Pronounciation
How is his name pronounced in Slovenian? I think the spelling is German, and then the ü letter must be pronounced [y], but since this sound doesn't exist in Slovenian, how the Slovenes eventually pronounce it? Švitrigaila 11:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I answer to myself: I found an audio link in (under the title Izjave podpornikov in the right colomn). Different persons say his name. The radio speaker pronounces perfectly [tyrk], while the other contributors say either [tyrk], [tʊrk] or even [tɪrk]. Švitrigaila 12:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to correct Švitrigaila... the letter actually ü does exist in some Slovene dialects like the Prekmurian and Resian dialects.Enlightenerrr (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Turk
Any relation to Turkey? Soulviver 21:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

he is turkish--88.233.121.52 04:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

he's not turkish, i believe the surname türk is because of the fact the turks (ottoman empire) owned a lot of places in eastern europe, and people of those places were citizens of the ottoman empire and therefore some of them had nicknames or later took surnames like "türk" to show their sympathy or love towards the turks.

We Slovenians have nothing with Turkey nor Hungarians, we are Slavic people, Slovani, Slavic peoples are traditionally divided along linguistic lines into West Slavic (including Czechs, Poles and Slovaks), East Slavic (including Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians), and South Slavic (including Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs and Slovenians). —Preceding unsigned comme--212.116.217.15 (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)--212.116.217.15 (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)nt added by 82.192.63.188 (talk) 08:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

--actually bulgarians roots are called bulgars (see wikipedia article) and they're turkic!


 * Does the English surname 'Scott' necessarily suggest that the person in question has Scottish origin...? Guys... having a specific surname does not usually convey much about one's ethnicity. Definitely not so in Danilo Türk's case. For some onomastic candy, the surnames 'Turk/Türk' and 'Rus', both quite common in Slovenia, were given (when surnames first started appearing in the 16th century... I think) to locals who had at least some experience with Turkish and Russian lands, respectively - who did trade there, who fought wars there, etc. It had nothing to do with ethnicity. Therefore I suggest that the reference to 'Turkish ancestry' in the main article be deleted, or else explained that having such a surname tells nothing about one's ethnic afilliation (see above).129.215.76.49 19:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Most likely, his Slavic/Slovenian family moved to Styria from Prekmurje or another part of Hungary at the time when it was ruled by Ottomans. Zocky | picture popups 23:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Türk is a term which used to mean people speaking a Turkic tongue, the main European group were the Avars (De Administrado Imperio) which were defeated and absorbed into Slovenian, Hungarian, Croatian and Bosnian peoples. The modern day nation of Turkey or the Ottoman empire had very little to do with it, as the defeat of Avars came well before the establishment of Islam, whe Turkey was still referred to as Anatolia. People almost consistently confuse Turkish and Turkic Though, there is chances that his family changed their name during the Ottoman conquest in order as not to be killed or subjected to slavery. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 20:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I think this guy definately has something related to Turkic. The fact is that Atilla led Huns and many Turkic tribes conquered and ruled Europe for many centuries and at different times of the history. I suspect that there is no reason behind such an unpopular or suspicious word as "Turk" in Slovenia and Europe. Definately this guy as some Turkic roots, which may date back to Atilla's tribe, Huns, or other Turkic origin tribes which then late in the history assimilated and turned into Slavic people. Did you know that in 17th century there were 100 thsd Lpinsk Tatars (also Turks - Tatar is a synonim of the work Turk) in Poland. Where are they now? What happened to them? All historians agree that these Turkic origin people who kept their ethnicity and even some of them religion and arabic alphabet untill 1930s were simply assimilated in Europe, especially among Slavians. Therefore, I am more than 50% sure that this guy as a Turkic blood in him. And please, note that there is nothing wrong with being Turk or having Turkic roots. Turks were and are one of the greatest nations in the world.--212.116.217.15 (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

its most definitely a remnant name from the ottoman empire, but the thing is that turks name each other for their characteristic. If someone is named turk, than his father might have been turkish. I think he has some turkish ancestry from the ottoman empire. 178.84.161.69 (talk) 23:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Amongs Slovenes, the surname Türk has nothing to do with Turkey. It is a very common surname, in fact the 12th most common of all surnames. That means thousands of Slovenes carry it. The letter ü exists in some Slovenian dialects, and the word 'turk' means a mushroom. You people should just stop talking about things that you have no clue about. I am a Slovene, and I know what I'm talking about.Enlightenerrr (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it Türk or Tuerk?
Danilo Türk or Tuerk uses Türk for his personal website... http://www.daniloturk.si/

News organizations that use Türk amongst others: The AFP (1, link to article), Al Jazeera (2), Financial Times (3), RIA Novosti (4), Reuters (5).

News organizations that use Tuerk amongst others: The BBC (1) International Herald Tribune (2), Times of India(3), Xinhua (4).

--Tocino 05:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Is it Türk, but it can be spelled Tuerk. In other languages that do not have the letter as part of the regular alphabet or in limited character sets such as ASCII, U-umlaut is frequently replaced with the two-letter combination "ue". --AndrejJ 09:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ü can be replaced by ue in German only. Not in other languages, never in Turkish or Hungarian for instance. But ü is not a Slovenian letter. I suppose it's a German name with a German spelling. Švitrigaila 17:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Türk is not a German surname, but a Slovenian surname from the Prekmurje region, where a traditional, Hungarian-influenced alphabet was in use in the time when the region was part of the Kingdom of Hungary; it fell in disuse in the 1920's, when it was replaced by the standard Slovenian alphabet (gajica), but it is still used in the writing of certain family names. Thus, I believe it's not possible to use "ue" as a substitute for "ü". And another thing: although the original pronounciation is [tyrk] (the people from Prekmurje would pronounce it that way), the standard Slovenian pronounciation is [tirk] (see Izgovorjava priimka novega slovenskega predsednika (Delo)). -- Viator slovenicus (talk) 17:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, IP user, you really sport some fascinatingly delirious ideas. Read this series of articles: Hungarian Language, Finno-Ugric languages, Proto-Finno-Ugric language, Ugric languages, Yugra for an idea regarding where Hungarian comes from, according to widely accepted academic theories. Then continue on to History of Hungary and History of Slovenia to see just how much different the histories of Hungary and Slovenia are - you seem to have this hazy notion that they're pretty much an indestinguishable blob of former Ottoman colonies, peopled with descendants of the Ottoman, which they aren't. Also, reread the replies already given above regarding how surnames in Slovenia were usually acquired - occupation, association to an occupation, trade or frequent travel to certain territories played a major role, hence the already mentioned multitude of non-Russians with the surname "Rus" in Slovenia. Another example is the fairly common surname "Škof" and the slightly less common "Papež" - meaning "Bishop" and "Pope", respectively. Do you really think people with these surnames are descendants of bishops and popes? How about "Jazbec" (Badger), "Medved" (Bear), "Volk" (Wolf) or "Kunc" (Hare)? Are these the descendants of some zoofilic progenitor?
 * Hey, here's a bone for you to chew - according to some researchers, there is a multitude of similarities between modern Turkish and modern Japanese - I bet the Japanese are nothing more than Turks in denial. TomorrowTime 19:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed changes: Danilo Türk becomes President of Club de Madrid
Information to be added or removed: Dr. Danilo Türk has become the new President of Club de Madrid, the largest forum of former Heads of State and Government Explanation of issue: Dr. Danilo Türk was elected in the Club de Madrid's General Assembly last October. His term as President began on 1st January 2020. References supporting change: The following links are news piece by the organization Club de Madrid and an outlet in Spain and one in Slovenia informing about the Danilo Türk becoming the new President http://www.clubmadrid.org/danilo-turk-becomes-the-new-president-of-club-de-madrid/ https://thediplomatinspain.com/en/2020/01/former-slovenian-president-danilo-turk-assumes-the-presidency-of-club-de-madrid/ https://maribor24.si/slovenija/danilo-turk-predsednik-madridskega-kluba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertguaschr (talk • contribs) 15:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 21-JAN-2020
Regards, Spintendo  05:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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Proposed changes(considering requests for clarity): Danilo Türk becomes President of Club de Madrid
Information to be added or removed: Information to be added. Dr. Danilo Türk has become the new President of Club de Madrid, the largest forum of former Heads of State and Government. I believe this should be placed exactly below the sentence "In 2016, Türk was an unsuccessful candidate for the post of Secretary-General of the United Nations." and before the section "Early life". My suggested wording is "In 2019, Danilo Türk became the President of Club de Madrid, the largest forum of former Heads of State and Government". Explanation of issue: Dr. Danilo Türk was elected in the Club de Madrid's General Assembly last October. His term as President began on 1st January 2020. References supporting change: The following links are news pieces by the organization Club de Madrid, an outlet in Spain and one in Slovenia informing about the Danilo Türk becoming the new President http://www.clubmadrid.org/danilo-turk-becomes-the-new-president-of-club-de-madrid/ https://thediplomatinspain.com/en/2020/01/former-slovenian-president-danilo-turk-assumes-the-presidency-of-club-de-madrid/ https://maribor24.si/slovenija/danilo-turk-predsednik-madridskega-kluba Albertguaschr (talk) 16:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 26-JAN-2020
Regards, Spintendo  23:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The suggested location for this information of the lead section (i.e., this should be placed exactly below the sentence "In 2016, Türk was an unsuccessful candidate for the post of Secretary-General of the United Nations." and before the section "Early life". is not appropriate, as the lead section is not a current events section. Please choose a different section.

Proposed changes(different position): Danilo Türk becomes President of Club de Madrid
Information to be added or removed: Information to be added. Dr. Danilo Türk has become the new President of Club de Madrid, the largest forum of former Heads of State and Government. I suggest including the information in a new paragraph in the section "Diplomatic and academic career". My suggested wording is "In 2019, Danilo Türk became the President of Club de Madrid, the largest forum of former Heads of State and Government". Explanation of issue: Dr. Danilo Türk was elected in the Club de Madrid's General Assembly last October. His term as President began on 1st January 2020. References supporting change: The following links are news pieces by the organization Club de Madrid, an outlet in Spain and one in Slovenia informing about the Danilo Türk becoming the new President http://www.clubmadrid.org/danilo-turk-becomes-the-new-president-of-club-de-madrid/ https://thediplomatinspain.com/en/2020/01/former-slovenian-president-danilo-turk-assumes-the-presidency-of-club-de-madrid/ https://maribor24.si/slovenija/danilo-turk-predsednik-madridskega-kluba Albertguaschr (talk) 16:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 27-JAN-2020
Spintendo 19:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)