Talk:Darby Crash

Belinda Carlisle Was a Member?
If I remember correctly Belinda Carlisle was never a member of The Germs, her only connection to the band was she dated the bassist Lorna Doom (I think that was her name) for a while. Can someone give a source that details Belinda Carlisle's connection to the band?--Brentt 23:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

She was a member, playing drums. However, she quit before the band actually ever recordedRsm99833

She had quit due to a nasty bout of mononucleosis that laid her out for a year. By that time, the Germs had moved on, and had brought first Donna Rhea and then Don Bolles on as the new drummers. Unless I'm much mistaken, the liner notes for both MIA and the Go-Gos' "Beyond the Valley of the Go-Gos" tell a capsule version of the tale.Pat Payne 22:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Darby's High School
I've removed the reference to the high school being connected to scientology. To date, I have never seen any reference or proof of this. If there is any, please reference before posting Rsm99833

It is cited in his biography that the school was a "new age school that taught Scientology and other fringe beliefs that could only exist in California". Teamgoon 16:50, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just finished Brendan Mullen/Don Bolles bio of Darby "Lexicon Devil"...don't have it handy, but there are numerous references to IPS including elements of EST and Scientology.

Per above, see comments from Robin Boyarsky (p.16) about IPS sending students with drug problems to Scientology based rehab centers (Narconon). "Lexicon Devil, the Fast Times and Short Life of Darby Crash and The Germs". Brendan Mullen, Don Bolles, Adam Parfrey. Feral House (c) 2002.

I am changing "Erhard Seminar Training" to "est Large Group Awareness Training" for 2 reasons: 1)that was its name in the mid 70s, when Beahm/Crash and Ruthenberg/Smear attended IPS at Uni High ("Erhard Seminar Training" was introduced in '81 or '84). 2) "Erhard Seminar Training", "The Forum", "Landmark Education" are all commonly known by the general public as "est," in the same way the Unification Church is firmly established in popular lexicon as the Moonies. Fp cassini (talk) 17:21, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Gay?
Ive read somewhere that Darby had problems with his homosexuality, I think this should be in the article. Can someone give a source to this and/or comfirm it?


 * There's a lot of discussion on this subject. Some say he was gay, others say straight, while a few say he was bi-sexual. He, himself, never pubically said anything on the subject, leaving it opent to POV speculation. Best to just keep it out of the article.


 * I had presumed that his homosexuality, or at least open bisexuality was well documented at this point. Glowimperial 19:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * A few books have speculated on it, so it's an ongoing debate. But frankly, it's not really "well documented."Rsm99833


 * I always feel wierd weighing in on L.A. punk history related stuff, because I know people in the scene, and Darby's "gayness/bisexuality" is pretty much established history, locally. Doesn't Mullin $ Bolles book ((Lexicon Devil) clarify the issue?  We have a copy at the house - I'll have to do some reading and cross referencing, but Darby's sexuality should have some place in the article, even if it's just that the article covers the speculation. Glowimperial 22:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * By the same token, I know various people who knew and lived with Darby as well. Some of them claim he was straight. A few say he was bisexual. But seeing that the only people who are making it an issue are third-party (all with conflicting viewpoints), it shouldn't be an issue in that it never played much of an issue in what he's remembered for (i.e. his performances & lyrics). So no, it shouldn't be included anymore than, say, Joan Jett's sexual preference should be included in her page Rsm99833


 * As a kid in the 1980's, I knew it, so it had to be pretty common knowledge for a 13 year old Tennessee punk kid in 1980 to know that. And if you have read his biography and done some web research, it's pretty indesputable that he was gay. Teamgoon 16:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You probably "knew" that the Coriolis effect made the water in your drain spin to the right in the northern hemishere (actually most adults still "know" that--its a myth incidentally) and of course "knew" medieval Europeans thought the earth was flat (not true either of course). 13 year old punks in Tenessee aren't exactly authorities on the subject. Biographies are different story of course. Brentt 19:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. I see no valid reason for it being in his biography. Let's concentrate on the actual facts, rather than speculation or information that, at best is "everyone knew it."


 * If there is no valid objections, I will remove the statement shortly.

The article does not have to state that he was homosexual/bisexual but it should say that it has long been speculated. Cupcake Party! (talk) 06:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this discussion a joke? It is very well documented that Crash was homosexual. He had a boyfriend during the filming of The Decline of Western Civilization, as his bandmates and the fake girlfriend he used in the movie have all stated multiple times. Here's an interview with Don Bolles talking about Darby's sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3bTY_p7pmoThespearthrower (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Sid Vicious
I red many years ago that Darby was a Sid Vicious fan and that he took that fatal overdose onstage trying to imitate and even surpass his "master", he died after off stage because heroin takes more than a few seconds to kill you, and Lennon´s shooting the very next day overshadowed what Darby wanted to be a front page news. I think this is very important and should be in the article. If this is not true, please tell us about it. 20:43 31 May 2006 Gasc

It's a rumor that he was trying to imitate Sid Vicious, but no truth to it whatsoever, as that he never died on stage. Rsm99833 19:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ziggy Stardust
This is from the wiki entry for Ziggy Stardust:

The LA pre-hardcore punk band The Germs' lead singer, Darby Crash was known to explain to people that "Bowie says we have five years left", and actually killed himself within five years of starting his band, in accordance with a suicide pact he gathered out of the Ziggy Stardust story.

This is mentioned nowhere on this page, and is in fact uncited in the Ziggy Stardust article. In the main Darby article, his death isn't stated as definitely suicide, yet the Ziggy Stardust article presents it as fact 81.158.120.100 18:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * While Crash may have made that statement, I've never heard of any attempt to connect it to his death. It's a speculative statement based on something said by Michelle Gaffari.  It's still debatable if his overdose was intentional or accidental. I'm going to pull the speculative part from the Ziggy Stardust article. Glowimperial 20:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

John Lennon Death Date
I could see this in a trivia section, but I can't imagine any encyclopedia actually publishing a coincidence like that.

From what I've heard John Lennon was one of Darby's idols, as he was many people's. I am not 100% about this but I believe Lennon was one of Jan Paul Beahm's main influences for his public persona as Darby Crash.Sequne22 (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Bisexuality citation
The cited article just says he was gay. PenguinJockey 01:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Iggy Pop
I don't have it with me but I know in Lexicon Devil they discuss Darby and Pat having a relationship with Iggy Pop. If I remember it correctly, Lexicon Devil says Iggy suddenly decided to shun them after they had been friends for a while and nobody really knew why. Can anybody confirm this? Sequne22 (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Detective Tommy Takahashi's Report of Crash's Death
Does anyone have a link to a reliable source to Detective Tommy Takahashi's report on the scene of the death of Crash? I found this in a self published book called Wild-Eyed Boy: The Darby Crash Story (revised edition)

''“Decedent, 22 year old male, was the boyfriend of Casey Hopkins who resided at the address of the incident in the rear house. It was learned later that the two lived together at (address deleted) until three weeks ago when they moved out and took up residence with three friends at 312 N Oxford, LA. Last night they had a party at the Oxford address, drinking and smoking (the decedent also has track marks on both arms). The two decided to return to the (address deleted) and arrived there at approximately 0330 hours. this date. The girlfriend’s mother who resides at the residence in the family house had no knowledge of the two being in the back house until Casey’s friends came to the house.

''At approximately 1230 hours this date, Casey awoke to find (Darby) not breathing and cold to the touch. She started sobbing and when her three friends walked in, they observed her over the decedent and crying. Casey’s mother, Jacqueline Garrett, was contacted and she called the paramedics…who pronounced death at 1250 hours.''

''Decedent was observed supine (laying flat on back) on the floor dressed in street clothes. He was in a supine position. Over his head on the wall was a note with a heading to “Bosco” who is decedent’s close friend and lives in New York.''

Decedent is also reported to have been a heavy drinker, sometimes or at spells he would get drunk daily.

Identification was established by girlfriend and photo on driver’s license.”

I'm attempting to confirm if this is accurate because a number of sources including the Germs article on Wikipedia claim As he lay dying, he attempted to write "Here lies Darby Crash". Other sources, usually not WP:RS by Wikipedia standards claim that he wrote "Here lies Darby C", as he was unable to finish his note. Either way, after reading a number of newspaper articles, I'm questioning whether the "Here Lies" claim is more of a legend than actual fact, and the truth is he simply wrote a note to David "Bosco" Danford stating "My life, my leather, my love goes to Bosco." --Yankees 76 Talk 18:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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