Talk:Darwin Triple Crown

Article name
If I may ask, why has this article been moved to a name which has never been used by anyone? --Falcadore (talk) 23:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Because there is now a reference that uses that name. And given the distinct lack of reference until now, how is "Skycity Triple Crown" a better name for the article than "Darwin Triple Crown" or, at the very least, "Skycity Darwin Triple Crown". Even if the event was previously known as the "Skycity Triple Crown", the name of the race has evidently been changed for 2013.


 * The name of the event is broken up into three parts: the name of the sponsor, the location, and the tag that describes the event format. For instance, in "Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000", "Supercheap Auto" is the sponsor name, "Bathurst" is the location, and "1000" is the tag. And this is a naming convention that is used by all events - there's the Clipsal (sponsor) 500 (tag) Adelaide (location); the ITM (sponsor) 400 (tag) Auckland (location); and the Coates Hire (sponsor), Ipswich (location) 360 (tag). Even the events that don't have a sponsor - like the Phillip Island 400 - contine this convention; the Phillip Island (location) 400 (tag); the Tasmania (location) 360 (tag). And until today, this article was the only one that didn't have the location in its name, and now it has a source to support that.


 * To keep this article as "Skycity Triple Crown" would be the same as moving the Bathurst 1000 article to "Supercheap Auto 1000". Which is wrong. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:04, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * To repeat what I posted elsewhere: Darwin was only added race name in 2013. Previously the race has been referred to as the Skycity Triple Crown (with no mention of Darwin) back to 2008. Prior to that it was the Skycity V8Supercar Triple Crown, and in 2005 Skycity V8Supercars. Earlier than 2004 ihad no name name other than Round 3 or 7 or 4... No race has been held with Darwin in its name and it has never been known as the Darwin Triple Crown. How is it difficult to understand that a name that has never, ever been used by anyone, is an not acceptable article title?
 * To use your analogy, it would be the same as moving the Bathurst 1000 article to a name that has never existed anywhere previously, like "Mount Panorama 1000", or "Bald Hills 1000". Or moving 24 hour of Le Mans to 24 Hours of Mulsanne, or 24 hours of Maine Province. Or shifting Daytona 500 to Florida 500. Do I need to go further? --Falcadore (talk) 11:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * How is it so difficult to understand that there were no references until the one I added? Why didn't the article have any reference supporting the original name? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The event had the same name for five years. It hadn't been necessary until you invented your (equally unreferenced) formula for naming events that got you into trouble. If you had a question about the name or referencing the name why didn't you ask instead of guessing?
 * If you'd named it Skycity Darwin Triple Crown (which is what your reference said) there would not have been a problem. What's the point of having a reference if you then go and make up your own name anyway? --Falcadore (talk) 09:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Once again, you get hyper-critical without stopping and taking a moment to actually look at what has changed. I moved "Skycity Triple Crown" to "Dawrin Triple Crown". You moved it back to "Skycity Triple Crown". I then moved it again, this time to its current location, "Skycity Darwin Triple Crown" - which you just pointed out is not a problem - because I'd accidentally moved it to the wrong place the first time. If you'd taken two seconds to actually look at the page in the twenty-four hours since the final move, you would see that the title had been changed. But, no, you charged in here assuming that someone has made edits that you disagree with. Do you even read any of the pages you edit, or do you just go to the article history, undo any changes that have been made since your last edit, and then move to the talk page and start talking down at everyone who made those changes? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I was refering specifically to the original move decision. I was also attempting to assure you the subsequent change was good. And I guess I'm still bleeding off being told I didn't double-check the references, when I'd gone and done the research and found the problem, only to be told I'm the one at fault because there was not a reference. Being told that there is a formula to naming a V8 Supercar event, when there is not. The fact that there is (for the first time) a geographical component to race names is just a co-incidence. Names are selected by promotors (many of which are not V8 Supercars) have now for reasons of their own. Where is the place name in "Caterpillar Grand Finale" for example? The Queensland House and Land.com 300 is named because the business is called Queensland House and Land.com, not because its held in Queensland. VB 300 is a beer, not a place. Please stop blaming me for your incorrect assumptions. --Falcadore (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Really? That was your way of assuring me that the subsequent changes were okay? Maybe you should consider the way you present your arguments, since you just said one thing and it was totally misintrepreted. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 04:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Update: Well the reference you used the change the article name has since changed and no longer features Darwin in its event name. Perhaps this issue can now be put to bed? --Falcadore (talk) 04:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Article name (2016 version)
Now it looks like the event name is actually going to be Darwin Triple Crown for 2016 unless a sponsor is found - because there is already a redirect page for Darwin Triple Crown the page can't be moved to replace that without admin assistance, has anyone been through this process before? SchueyFan (talk) 12:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Kelly or Nissan
While as you say in your reverted edit comment we don't refer to Gibson on this particular event page, all other event history pages refer to Gibson even when they were branded as Nissan Motorsport Australia. Furthermore, as there was no ownership change (that we are aware of) Nissan is no different to us ignoring sponsor names e.g. Shell Helix Racing, Team Vodafone etc, not to mention the fact that we don't call Triple Eight as Holden Racing Team which is a similar relationship to what the Kelly's have these days. As such, I believe where possible we should take a consistent approach across all event pages where possible and call the team Kelly. Thoughts? SchueyFan (talk) 09:21, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * My thoughts are that this is exactly what a piped link is for.
 * The team is (still) Nissan Motorsport Australia. The current article by that name IS the (former) Kelly Racing page so a [Kelly Racing] link is pointless.
 * Secondly there were quite a few years where the team was Gibson Motorsport rather than Nissan Motorsport Australia, 1992 for example. Also in the early 1980s the team is [Nissan Motor Co.] and the link goes to Gibson Motorsport. Technically the team name is not correct as Gibson did not formally take over the team until 1984 or so, but the team's 1980s history is there.
 * Next year the team will presumably revert to Kelly Racing. But we have piped links so [Kelly Racing|Nissan Motorsport Australia] is how you would type it for 2018. Calling the team Kelly Racing now in 2018 assumes that is the name the team will be refered to in 2019, but we don't know that.
 * Look, the biggest problem is you are anticipating Nissan leaving the team, which while (most likely) correct, will not happen until after this season is complete. There is no need to make any changes until then. --Falcadore (talk) 03:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Given that [Nissan Motorsport (Australia)] will probably become a disambiguation page post 2018, probably would be prudent to link to [Kelly Racing] from now on, less work down the track. Even if another name is adopted, [Kelly Racing] will be repointed to this. The precedent appears to stick with generic names, e.g. in Phillip Island SuperSprint, the factory Volvo team is described as Garry Rogers Motorsport. Fecotank (talk) 05:10, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The entire point of piped links is you never have to do that. [Kelly Racing|Nissan Motorsport Australia] should be fine. Also, the original team was just as much refered as Nissan Motor Co. rather than Nissan Motorsport Australia, so I am not convinced of the disambiguation arguement. --Falcadore (talk) 09:24, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Now that Kelly Racing has returned as the team's name, I again suggest changing Caruso's win to use that title. No ownership changes were associated with Nissan so naming it Kelly would be consistent with using Triple Eight Race Engineering over Red Bull HRT for example.SchueyFan (talk) 15:35, 8 June 2019 (UTC)