Talk:Das Rheingold

"Rhine gold" and "Rhine maidens" as two words
I have changed "Rheingold"/"Rhinegold" (meaning the gold, not the opera) and "Rhinemaidens" to "Rhine gold" and "Rhine maidens" throughout the four synopses because
 * this is English, not German
 * the expressions as single words are unknown outside the operas and these synopses are to introduce the operas to know who do not know them
 * the space makes no difference to the emphasis when spoken. --Hugh7 (talk) 02:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Erickson reference
Does anyone know what the full reference is for (Erickson 1975, p.94) nentioned in the text?--Dogbertd 10:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Holda
In Act 4, Freia is referred to as Holda twice -- once by Fafner, once by herself. Does anyone know what Holda means? Wrcolbrook 15:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)wrcolbrook
 * It's an alternative name for her, I believe, and it enables Wagner to engage in a little wordplay ("Freia, die Holde, Holda, die Freie"), not that the article Holda makes any mention of Freia. It's Fasolt who uses the name, by the way, not Fafner. --GuillaumeTell 17:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. It's Fafner who uses the term, and later Freia herself. Does anyone know where the name Holda comes from or why it's suddenly introduced?Wrcolbrook 01:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're wrong as well (and uncivil, too). As well as Fafner's mention of Holda, Fasolt sings "Freia, die Holde, Holda, die Freie, vertragen ist's, sie tragen wir heim."  If you don't believe me, look here.  And I've also answered your other questions, though you don't seem to have noticed. --GuillaumeTell 21:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but Freia and Holda are two different people, despite Fasolt's "play on words." In German mythology, Holda has a dark side also. I doubt that Wagner meant Freia to have a dark side. In your original "answer," you said "I believe," which implies that you're conjecturing, not answering. Do you know the difference between Holde and Holda?Wrcolbrook 23:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wagner is certainly at least treating Holda and Freia as if they are alternative names for the same goddess. Holde means "fair" and Freie means "free", so the pun that Wagner is using is "Freia the fair, Holda the free".--RLent (talk) 20:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Reception and Reviews
Is it known what the audience and critics thought of Rheingold? I recall from my music history courses that several of Hr Wagner's music-dramas were less than popular when first produced. Adding this information to the article would improve it, I think. Cordially, --Drieux 17:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Synopsis
In the synopsis, the following sentence occurs: "It was claimed by Wagner in his autobiography Mein Leben[4] that the musical idea came to him while he was half asleep in a hotel in La Spezia in Italy, but this has been disputed by Deathridge and others.[5]"

This should not be part of the synopsis. It does not tell anything about what's happening at this point in the opera. It belongs in the COMPOSITION HISTORY section, not the synopsis. 207.237.243.185 (talk) 02:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
Infoboxes should be added after discussion on talkpage. No discussion took place here. I don't think the box very appropriate. Have removed it pending further discussion. I am flagging the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner.--Smerus (talk) 10:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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Revision, expansion and referencing
I am undertaking some revision and expansion of the content, and will deal with the current referencing issues. The article may look a little lopsided for a while. Brianboulton (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I like to see a background section grow, but wonder if it isn't more about the Ring than this particular part. Will it be repeated in all four parts? Or should it perhaps move to Der Ring des Nibelungen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Each Ring article should be self-contained, which requires it to be placed in the context of the cycle, hence the background. It may be possible to trim the section when the article is further advanced - it's early days as yet. Brianboulton (talk) 10:02, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Understand, thank you. Will you, once it's later days, copy that to the others, especially the sadly short Ring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not thinking beyond Rheingold at the moment. The articles on the other Ring operas are very short on detail except plot descriptions, and the Der Ring des Nibelungen article is hopelessly inadequate. All this can be remedied in due course, but it will take months of work. Brianboulton (talk) 13:13, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Floßhilde
When improving, can we stick to the original name of the Rhine maiden, Floßhilde (long vowel, not Flosshilde which suggests a short vowel), see ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The eszett is not used in modern English orthography. Steepleman (t) 05:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Writing History / "Scandinavian" Eddas?
Is it really the Scandinavian Eddas? Scandinavia does not include Iceland nor Finland and Edda's author, Snorri, was from Iceland. Prose Edda, also known as the Younger Edda or Snorri's Edda, was composed by Snorri. The Poetic Eddda is not Snorri's work, but the oldest manuscripts of this version came from Iceland. The two Edda's together are not to my knowledge referred to as the Scandinavian Eddas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pulper123 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)