Talk:De Zeven Provinciën-class frigate

Frigates?
Why is it called a frigate? It's clearly a destroyer in all but it's name.
 * Due to the similarities between frigates and destroyers nowadays, the Dutch Navy no longer makes a difference between the two. - Dammit 15:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Bc, it is a frigate, new generation of frigate that is, most frigates nowadays are quite well armed and can often be confused with the destroyer, but destroyer in all honesty are far more larger and capable ships. 88.110.78.164 (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact it's for political reasons, politicians are pretty stupid sometimes and some didn't want to have ships that made the Netherlands look like a mean monsterous nation. They think destroyers fit that image, so the navy decided to name them frigates. And the best part was: the politicians bought it.

I don't think that's really the reason. In Dutch a destroyer is called a 'jager' (=hunter), from Torpedoboatdestroyer(EN) -> Torpedobootjager (NL), which is not really that aggressive. However, the last of those ships was used in the 1960's or something. So why pick a new name for a ship which has basically the same function as the existing ships but is only bigger because of tonnage creep? And compared to the US Arleigh Burkes and Russian Udaloys/Sovremennys, not to mention the upcoming 14k tons Zumwalts, the Zeven Provinces' are indeed a smaller type of ship. [MJ]


 * Yeah, when "destroyers" are being made that are larger than most WW2-era cruisers, it's no surprise that we'd also see ships called "frigates" that are larger than most historical destroyers. Aircraft carriers and submarines were supersized decades ago, and now the other types of naval vessels are going through the same process. :P Redxiv 23:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The simplest reason for calling it a frigate is that there is no reason to distinguish between frigates (fregatten) and destroyers (jagers). AFAIK they serve the same purposes in the Dutch navy. The current text of this paragraph in the article is a terrible explanation of someones wild guess. --Bacchuss (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the part speculating about the the political correct terminology for the ships. It's baseless                                         speculation. Next time, first provide a source, then edit accordingly. [MJ] 20:48, 28 April 2008 UTC)


 * Frigate or destroyer, this paragraph in the main article, "The ships are classified as frigates by the Netherlands Navy but internationally are classified as destroyers as this better fits their armament and role. In most Dutch websites and books they are referred as frigates but in international websites and books referred as destroyers," consists of two sentences that each say virtually the same thing. Perhaps one well-written sentence could be substituted...Jmdeur (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

The article states that the Dutch word for battleship is "kruiser". This is incorrect - "kruiser" means cruiser (note the similarity), and the word for battleship is "slagschip" (in which "slag " literally means battle and "schip" quite clearly ship). User:aledevries

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Decision on Tomahawk
Re "In the future is also the decision made to buy 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles." Has this decision been made? Is a decision awaited? The grammar is incorrect (with all due respect to the original writer), but one cannot tell from existing text which way to correct it. Also, is there a reference that can be cited? papageno 16:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * the process of acquiring TacToms has been postponed by the new minister of defense EggyNL


 * Does this work as a re-write then? "A decision was expected on the purchase of 32 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles, but was postponed by the new Dutch minister of defence on DATE." Is there a citation we can provide referencing this point, even if in Dutch? papageno 04:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I found something for you from the "Trouw"-newspaper. This is a translation of the first paragraph:

"Ministry of Defence decided not to buy Tomahawks

The Netherlands decided not to buy thirty Tomahawk missiles. Minister of defence Eimert van Middelkoop (ChristenUnie) said this last monday in Brussels. The secretary prefers to spend the seventy million euro on recruitment and installation of new defence personnel." --Bacchuss (talk) 21:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Made the edit myself already. --Bacchuss (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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Jargon
There is frequent use of "SM-2" in the article. "SM-2" is jargon. The missile is designated RIM-66M. Two way time (talk) 04:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. RIM-66M is the US Navy designation for the SM-2. SM-2 is commonly used, both internationally and in fact in the US as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.251.245 (talk) 02:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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