Talk:Deborah Kara Unger

Year of birth
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000679/ states that she was born in 1963 and http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Deborah_Kara_Unger/187285 states that she was born in 1966. The article states that she was born either 1963 or 1964 citing both sources. Did a previous version of her page on hollywood.com state 1964? 89.247.46.108 11:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * imdb is not considered a reliable source, so I'm not even sure why its being cited here.--Crossmr (talk) 07:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Date of birth
It's not clear what Deborah Unger's date of birth is with different sources on the internet giving different dates. While many sites list her birthday as May 12 many of these also list the year of her birth as 1963 instead of 1966:. IMDB on the otherhand has her date of birth as 31 March 1964 while Hollywood.com has it as 1 January 1966:. Other sites such as Starpulse and Allmovie just list her birth year as being 1966:.

It's pretty clear that there is much ambiguity regarding her date of birth exacerbated by the fact that web based encyclopedic sources (which all of the above are) are not verifiable because they don't state where they get the information, therefore they are not reliable sources for this type of information.

The only reliable source that I can find is the current Guardian source in which her age is given as 33 in February 2000 in an interview: meaning that she was probably born in 1966. Web based encyclopedic sources are not reliable sources so please do not introduce them as references into the article for the date of birth. If the date of birth is going to be changed or narrowed down we need to know where the information is coming from i.e. an authored article in a magazine, newspaper or book; a copy of her birth certificate or some other official document; her official website or a website by someone who officially represents her.

Please bear this in mind while altering the information currently in the article. Betty Logan (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Deborah Unger is not exactly the only celebrity whose date of birth is twisted. Imdb and hollywood.com are the only sources that gives her date of birth as 31 March and 1 January, however, there are plenty of reliable sources that gives her birthday as 12 May and if she is stated as 33 in an interview in Feb 2000, the birth year is also settled. That I think makes the birth day clear to be 12 May 1966. Karbuncle (talk) 15:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Internet based encyclopedias that do not say where the information come from are not reliable sources because they are not verifiable. If there are many sources that get the year wrong then there is nothing to say the day and month aren't wrong either, and because they don't say where they get the information then there's nothing to say they didn't copy it off each other considering the fact that the same mistakes in the year are so widespread.  One of the references you provide - Filmreference.com  is one of the few encyclopedia sites that include sources for its information and that site only lists the year of her birth, but not the month or day! We have a reliable source giving her age in 2000, so we can calculate she was born in 1966.  The fact that there are many internet based sources such as Allmovie  which is usually one of the more accurate sites on the internet that just include the year of her birth and not the date indicate that they cannot verifiably source the information.  It's not Wikipedia's job to conjecture what might be correct, and since we can't verifiably source a date we should take the same approach as the other sites that only list the year. Betty Logan (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The references I gave http://www.filmbug.com/db/26791, http://www.womencelebs.com/c50/showcelebrity_categoryid-5025.html and http://www.superiorpics.com/deborah_kara_unger are not encyclopedias just becuase they do not say where they have taken the information from. There are only a few websites that lists their sources publicly and many websites that do not state where they have taken their information from has been counted as reliable sources in other articles. Filmreference.com never lists the birth day no matter what celebrity it is. Also, you say that we are sure about the birth year, so why do you write cirkus 1966? That indicates that we are not sure of the birth year either. Karbuncle (talk) 18:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Encyclopedias are usually classed as non-reliable sources because they are not verifiable i.e. they don't say where they get the information from. Any source that doesn't say where the information comes from is non-verifiable.  The sites you provide by the same token are not verifiable because they don't say where the information comes from.  Newspapers and magazine articles from mainstream publications are reliable because they are "authored" (so in theory there is nothing to stop me contacting the writer and verifying it) and professional publications usually have verification policies. Anyway, I asked for another opinion here to make sure what I was telling you was right: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Actors_and_Filmmakers.  The view here is that Filmreference is reliable because it provides its sources, so in that sense we should make FilmReference the reference and make 1966 definite.  As it turns out I was wrong to write it as (c. 1966) because I shouldn't write a year if the newspaper article doesn't explicitly give one. May 12 might well be her date of birth, you'd bet on it before any other date but without a verifiable source we can't be sure of its accuracy.  If you could locate a verifiable source for her birth date that would be great, but I recommend getting it checked at WT:ACTOR first if it isn't a typical article reference. Betty Logan (talk) 02:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

On her facebook profile it stands 12 May. That if anything is a verifible source according to me. http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=deborah+kara+unger&init=quick#/pages/Deborah-Kara-Unger/64134760526?ref=search&sid=625935888.1930929955..1 Karbuncle (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be a verifiable source if there was confirmation it was actually her page. There is no proof it was set up by her.  It could have been set up by a fan or anyone. Betty Logan (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Constant birth year changes
There have have been constant changes to the birth year changing the year from 1966 to 1963 despite the reference for the 1966 year. Biographical claims must be sourced with a verifiable reference (see WP:V). The criteria for what constitutes a reliable source is discussed in the above section, and is more fully explained at WP:RS. Removing or altering reliably sourced information is disruptive and is discouraged. Alternative years are welcome to be added to the article if they can be similarly sourced. Please discuss any issues here first rather than alter or remove sourced information from the article. Betty Logan (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Year spans in Filmography
An editor has repeatedly removed the year spans in the Filmography section quoting WP:ACCESSIBILITY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY. I do not see how WP:ACCESSIBILITY is applicable since it does not address row-spanning at all. Secondly, while WP:FILMOGRAPHY allocates one row per entry in the example it provides the guideline does not insist on it. The assertion that "Filmography like in many other pages about actors" is not all that relevant per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. As yet a compelling reason has not been offered for altering the structure of the table and I believe the row-spanning offers an aesthetic improvement and is evening advocated at Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial. Betty Logan (talk) 20:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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Husband???
Does she have a husband (john) also a sister,joanne??? 87.75.115.50 (talk) 01:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)