Talk:December 16

Dingaan
Dingaan replaced with Dambuza and Nhlela as Zulu forces leaders. Source Day of reconciliation, South African government site.

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/December 16
The December 16 pages says "1998 - Operation Desert Fox: American and British troops begin to bomb Iraqi targets after Iraq obstructs UN weapons inspectors." However, this is not quite correct, IMHO. It is often asserted that the UNSCOM weapons inspection team was kicked out of Iraq by Saddam Hussein.

Richard Butler, head of UNSCOM, withdrew the team from Iraq, to protect his staff from the air strikes that the US and UK governments were threatening.

The events surrounding the withdrawal are recounted in Butler's book, Saddam Defiant: (2000): “I received a telephone call from US Ambassador Peter Burleigh inviting me for a private conversation at the US mission ... Burleigh informed me that on instructions from Washington it would be ‘prudent to take measures to ensure the safety and security of UNSCOM staff presently in Iraq.’ I told him that I would act on his advice and remove my staff from Iraq.”

Evidence abounds that "obstruction" by Iraq was not the cause of the invasion.

See http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/myths.html#_ftn40, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/crisis_in_the_gulf/road_to_the_brink/216264.stm, and the UNSCOM chronology http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chronology/chronologyframe.htm

&mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by 203.220.141.222 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 2004 December 15 (UTC)

Copied from MediaWiki talk:December 16 selected anniversaries
Does ASU winning a football game really warrant entry on this page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.244.161.98 (talk • contribs) 18:48, August 4, 2006 (UTC).
 * No, I don't think so, and I've removed it. We shouldn't list sports results for a particular year like that. Graham talk 12:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Deaths-Rasputin's Murder?
According to the New York Times link on this page (http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/20071216.html), Gregory Rasputin was murdered on this date in 1916. Should this be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.174.119 (talk) 02:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The date depends on if you use the old style or new style date. The entry can't be listed on both days so it is best to expect to see these types of things on the new style date (December 29 in this case).  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 03:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Kenya joins the UN
The December 16 page lists "1863 – Kenya joins the United Nations." The year is obviousky incorrect. Furethermore, the UN website lists Kenya's date of admission as September 14, 1999. Under the September 14, 1999 page, the listing shows "1999 – Kiribati, Nauru and Tonga join the United Nations." However - again, according to the UN web site - the actual dates are May 14, 1963; December 14, 1955; and September 18, 1962 respectively. cf http://www.un.org/en/members/index.shtml  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perdido1144 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Moon Phase coincidence?
I have noticed that in the past 200 years, there has not been a single full moon on this day. Is this just a coincidence, or is it because of something worth mentioning? 173.24.181.55 (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Ron Paul money bomb
The entry about Ron Paul's fund-raising accomplishment does not rise to the level of long-term global notability required for inclusion as an event. The entry should be removed. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 01:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Occupation of Miri
The article about Miri says "The Japanese captured the city on 17 December", why is it listed in the December 16 page ? ThePro (talk) 13:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Bangladesh Liberation
December 16, 1971 is an extremely important date in the entire Indian subcontinent as it was the day Pakistan signed the instrument of surrender, ending the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War and the Bangladesh Liberation War, leading to the creation of Bangladesh. The date is celebrated as Victory Day in Bangladesh and Vijay Diwas in India. This year also marks the 40th anniversary of the surrender. This assumes high importance to three countries who together comprise about 23% of the entire earth's population. I would think it is important enough to warrant a mention on the front page. Is there a nomination procedure? Or is it too late now? Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 15:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

1972 – Vijay Diwas
This entry is presently phrased as, "1972 – Vijay Diwas: (Victory Day) is commemorated every 16 December in India as it marks its military victory over Pakistan in 1971 during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971." This language sounds like there was a one-time commemoration that year rather than the military event it marks. Would someone more familiar wit the semantics on the name of the event vs. the name of the holiday please correct this?DarrenM here (talk) 03:19, 16 December 2012 (UTC)DarrenM here


 * I've removed the 1972 listing and merged it into the 1971 listing for the victory. I hope that's okay. Alexbook (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Pope Anastasius I
I think Pope Anastasius | died 2 days later than this article tells us ... ;) 84.56.68.155 (talk) 12:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I've removed it from this article. Good catch. Alexbook (talk) 16:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Beethoven
I was surprised that Beethoven doesn't appear on this page. He also isn't listed on December 17, his baptismal day. Was his name added here at some point and removed due to uncertainty? Paul (User:Lpgeffen) (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Beethoven
I see that Beethoven was added, but then deleted again after 16 December 2015 from this list. The deletion seems to coincide with Google's faux pas, in which they celebrated the anniversary of Beethoven on 17 December in honor of his baptism. It stirred some controversy on Wikipedia and your editors have subsequently erased Beethoven's birthday.

Please restore birthdate to this list. We have celebrated his birthdate on December 16 for more than 200 years. Why would you now want to change it? http://www.notablebiographies.com/Ba-Be/Beethoven-Ludwig-van.html

We know that:

He and his family and associates celebrated his birth day on 16 December. Why would they all celebrate it on that day if it wasn't his birthday?

Scholars agree that 16 December was his birthday.

Babies were baptized the day after their birthday; and he was baptized on 17 December.

We don't have birth certificates for the vast majority of people born prior to 1800, and we nevertheless use the accepted scholarly, self-identified, and logical birthdate.

What else do you need to justify this request?

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven 98.114.185.226 (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Bias against Russia
I just want to comment in a rather peculiar (for my way of thinking at least) thing. Since the start of the Ukranian war (and I'm not taking sides here, I'm just stating the fact), it seems that in the introductory page with the important events by date, all references to WWII battles, events, etc concerning the eastern theatre of war are totally missing. It seems that the western allies solely defeated nazi Germany. This is totally inacurate from historical point of view and frankly just lame, a disgrace and an insult to the millions of soviet soldiers and citizens that died or suffered horrifically to defend their country. And of course a direct blow to the credibility of Wikipedia. You can think whatever you want for president Putin but you can not distort or ignore history facts. Iakovosalexandris (talk) 09:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you have a specific suggestion to be added to this page (December 16)? It doesn't look like anything like this has been removed over the past three years. Ttwaring (talk) 15:34, 16 December 2023 (UTC)