Talk:December 2009 North American blizzard

Merge with Blizzard of 2009
I saw the merge was proposed. I believe that the merge should be to this article, not from this article to Blizzard of 2009, because the past blizzards such as North American blizzard of 2007 and North American blizzard of 2008 follow this naming convention, and this blizzard was certainly not a global event. In fact, calling it Blizzard of 2009 could cause a problem given that there is another blizzard brewing in Europe at the moment and we would face a naming conflict. --Shirik (talk) 03:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Capitalization
I think blizzard in the title needs to be capitalized. --98.26.187.80 (talk) 15:24, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The manual of style for naming similar articles (see Category:Blizzards in the United States) doesn't capitalize 'blizzard'. APK whisper in my ear  16:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone made this capitalization change. I undid this change per WP:MOS and APK. The lowercase "blizzard" is correct. --Shirik (talk)

North American?
If this is a North American, as opposed to an American, blizzard why are there no references to anywhere other than the US? 71.110.67.204 (talk) 16:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * There are references mentioning the storm's impact on Nova Scotia (ex: AccuWeather) and the soon-to-be-added reference from the CBC. APK whisper in my ear  16:48, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I know it may be hard to believe for some people on the east coast, but there actually are people who live in the US/Canada but DON'T live on the East Coast. With this shocking revelation, and with the fact that there has not been a single flake of snow on the west coast, shouldnt this be named the East Coast Blizzard?Crd721 (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * sarcasm =/= constructive criticism APK  whisper in my ear  21:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Still though, isnt the articles name bad? I mean if I were to see this articles name and not see the outside, I would be waiting to see loads of snow when I looked out my window, while in fact it is raining, and yesterday it was over 50 degrees. This really should be renamed "East Coast Blizzard of 2009" That is a much more accurate title. 22:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crd721 (talk • contribs)
 * It is odd that this storm is the North American blizzard, as if the entire continent were involved. The storm now raging has extended from Arizona to Ontario, is larger, and has caused more deaths. This article should be renamed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.147.102 (talk) 19:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge with December 2009 North American snowstorms
I oppose this proposed merge. From that article, "Although the initial storm had virtually subsided by December 11, further snow was expected to fall." This seems to indicate to me that the article is a different topic, and the two should be left independent. The article was drafted before meteorologists even identified this one and has references from the 14th of December indicating that the storm had "passed". --Shirik (talk) 18:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Ditto. I'm removing the merge template because the topics are unrelated. APK whisper in my ear  20:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Add Obama?
The news is saying that U.S. President Obama left the U.N. climate conference early in order to beat the snow storm. Is that a fact to put in this article? Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Description too strong
Regarding the caption for the photo Cars_buried_by_snow_in_Silver_Spring,_Maryland,_blizzard_of_2009.jpg ... I wouldn't say these cars are buried. Some appear to be covered (and some aren't even that), but if you can read the license plate, a car's not buried. ;-)  Flagstonia (talk) 04:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Mention of closings?
The federal government was closed Monday in Washington. and Northern Virginia schools will not reopen until Jan 4th. (closed Mon-Wed, then Christmas break.)  thatmarkguy (talk) 07:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

NASA image
Would it be appropriate to add this image to the page? I'm not too familiar with image usage guidelines. Everything counts (talk) 19:36, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I uploaded two satellite images (the one you've linked to; the second image is at Commons:Category:North American blizzard of 2009), but apparently, the caption only works on NASA's website. :-/ APK whisper in my ear  20:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Not sure how I missed that before posting here... Everything counts (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Real Name
I know there has been some debate about what this article should be named, honestly im not to happy with the current name as it makes this storm sound like its the biggest of 2009 when in actuality there were other stronger systems. The HPC calls this storm the "EASTERN U.S. WINTER STORM" so perhaps we should instead call it "2009 Eastern U.S. Winter Storm". - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 01:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I support renaming the article given the impact and death count of the Christmas storm. (side note - It's easy to leave such comments after the new storm developed.) APK whisper in my ear  03:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree renaming is sensible. Is there an "official name" for the storm? I personally don't like the cited HPC name because the article does make references to Nova Scotia -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 08:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I was in Charlottesville at the time and we called it the snowpocalypse. Sounds like a good name to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C7:780:6870:CD3F:2AD8:C1DE:7811 (talk) 03:45, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Title
Shouldn't this be called the Holiday Blizzard of 2009 since it happened in December? The Blizzard of 2009 could happen during both sides of the year but the title should have something to do with the fact that it was in December. It is unusual to have this type of blizzard in December.141.156.179.114 (talk) 23:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Valid reasoning. The only concerns I have against it are with regards to naming conventions of other blizzards on WP. But you're also correct that most of those blizzards are actually January - March. Any outside views on this? -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 18:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There may be a better title out there, but do not like "Holiday Blizzard of 2009". Which holiday? That's too vague. Everything counts (talk) 00:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Invalid source
One of the more heavily-used sources, "^ a b c James Wilson. "Crippling snow from Mid-Atlantic to Northeast". The Weather Channel. Retrieved 19 December 2009." (ref name "TWC") has gone bye bye. I checked archive.org but apparently it wasn't saved. Is there any accessible version of this that someone can find? The only location for it I found was here which by no means is a reliable source. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 19:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Name
Couldn't the December blizzard also be considered the "Blizzard of 2009"? According to the infoboxes, the December blizzard also had a higher RSI value of Category 5 "Extreme" versus Category 4 "Crippling" for this blizzard. Dustin ( talk ) 03:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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