Talk:Deen Castronovo

Hole
According tho Article Hole and Celebrity Skin he was chosen by production manager to overdub all the drum tracks done previously by Petty Schemel. He was not credited and the fact was not to be revealed before 2002 when Courtney Love admitted replacing Schemel during the recording of the album. Saemikneu (talk) 22:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


 * 323 taybin oregon 174.253.193.84 (talk) 02:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A.R.C.H.E.S on commercial salem across marion county park take your self to it and register to see if your face 174.253.193.84 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Assault charges
Before we all start edit-warring, I'm not too happy about the level of coverage in the article given to the assault, nor the sources involved. Do we have anything more substantial, such as coverage in the New York Times, for example? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The Statesman-Journal is a Gannett newspaper that's been in continuous publication since 1851, and the coverage there has been pretty comprehensive. The story has been picked up nationally as well; Los Angeles Times, for example. And it's on the NYT web site, although it looks like they just picked up the AP coverage. Still, the arrest story appears legit. Abdoozy (talk) 05:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * An anoymous IP user deleted this section, but didn't discuss it or note it in the edit notes. I have restored this section. -- GentlemanGhost  (converse)  19:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * nada 174.253.193.84 (talk) 02:20, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps one could review the citations. One is a dead URL, and one is dated October of 2022. That hasn’t even happened. If there isn’t enough integrity to correctly verify sources, that lessens the trust of any other editors and heightens suspicion. The section with the unverified and incorrect sources should be update or deleted. Furthermore, media reports do not corroborate court public record, which is accessible in the state of Oregon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A (talk) 08:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * A.R.C.H.E.S wants to know about your three assault charges federal reserve note legal tender 174.253.193.84 (talk) 02:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal Life
The sentence, “He beat his wife and donated to his high school,” should probably be two different sections with separate sources. Currently, it reads like the actions took place together, which doesn’t make sense. 2600:1700:C4D2:6010:2D8A:E082:176:C9C2 (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * A.R.C.H.E.S 174.253.193.84 (talk) 02:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

This is apparently taken from the following news article from 2015: https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2015/10/journeys_deen_castronovo_plead.html which adds more details about this incident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:4100:4DF0:180:F58E:DE06:BE96 (talk) 01:06, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It's been deleted before, despite the having citations to reliable sources. I've added it back in again. -- GentlemanGhost  (séance)  18:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

“He beat his wife.” For one, it’s not accurate. She was not his wife. For another, the public court records for the State of Oregon do not support the inflammatory/media bias present in the newspapers and news reports, written to sensationalize and gain readership or viewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:3E00:3CF:69A2:E2A0:BE8A:381A (talk) 08:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

“Formerly Of” VERSUS “Associated With”
It appears to me that you’re editing things that don’t need to be edited, but that’s a smallish problem. The problem with this edit is (and I don’t know where you got the source version to edit) your changing “Associated with” to “formerly of” makes some of the bands/mentioned factually incorrect. Deen was never “formerly of” Fear Factory Social Distortion Cacophony He is still in the Revolution Saints. They continue to record and release music. By eliminating “associated with,” you’re omitting his Shrapnel years, which is an important part of his career. (Although the Cacophony wiki page lists him as a former member, the personnel for “Go Off” —the only album he played on—does not list him as a member. They list him as an additional musician. Please update your edits after some research. KaytieKay (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * So I am being prompted for a response on this "issue", in the edit I took the information from the Associated acts and adapted it into the new parameters, I did a brief look at all of the bands to see if he was a member of said band and the band was not just listed for a one off collaboration (like how it was for Steve Jones), if Deen was incorrectly listed as a member of some of the bands, that is a problem with that page and seeing as Social Distortion have an external member page I assumed he was a member with to be honest was a bit dumb. Also what is the use of have "associated with" when it doesn't show. 80s Sam (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You are missing the point, or perhaps you're evading it. We need a reliable source in Castronovo's article that he was a former member of the bands listed in the infobox. It doesn't matter whether "associated with" is a valid parameter or not. You changed the infobox to indicate that he is a former member of bands for which there is no source. What you "assumed" is not a reliable source. And as you have been told repeatedly, the burden to provide a reliable source is on you. You made unsourced edits. Either provide the sources or fix your edit. Sundayclose (talk) 03:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You have continued to edit other articles while ignoring the issue here. You have been given several warnings about making unsourced edits, and you did it again in this article. Please either provide a source for your edits or revert your edit so that it doesn't violate WP:V. Sundayclose (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Somehow the changes for this have reverted to the original (incorrect) information. Why does this happen? KaytieKay (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

@80s Sam—I don’t know what “external band member” pages are, but I can tell you Deen isn’t listed on Social Distortion’s official website and, though not a primary source, he is listed as merely a session player on their wiki. As far as Fear Factory, he played on *one song* on their Genexus album. “Guest drummer.” I’m surprised you didn’t include Hole on that list. As far as Cacophony, I won’t get into a pi$$ing match about it. Someone else listed him as a member on that wiki, but if you actually look at the album he played on (Go Off) he is not listed as a member. In fact, he’s not even pictured on the gatefold photo.

As far as him being formerly of Revolution Saints, they are currently recording and releasing new material. Why isn’t this standard: Current member Former member Possibly a few associated acts. (Tony MacAlpine, maybe Vasco Rossi—I would want to ask @Sundayclose the stipulations on that, or if my template is in line with what’s suggested.) Admittedly, I’m a newbie, but I know music and grammar. :) I know that the Wikipedia articles are now part of the knowledge panels displayed on Google, meaning they carry more weight than just a place you go for questionable facts. I’ve also seen the power of a poorly edited page because of incorrect and outdated info. To the point it indirectly ruined the reputation of a celebrity.

Rant off. KaytieKay (talk) 03:40, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Ping 80s Sam Sundayclose

I told you I was a newbie. KaytieKay (talk) 03:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s looks like [[User:80s Sam
 * 80s Sam]] has made changes to Castronovo’s Wiki Sundayclose. I’m just getting ready to pore over it. At first glance it seems like it has added sources. Sundayclose I read where you said discogs is not an approved source. Is there a definitive list of unapproved sources? I take issues with Blabbermouth, as it tends to be perceived as a gossip page close to TMZ. KaytieKay (talk) 05:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Sundayclose The formerly vs associated with has been updated by 80s SamUnfortunately, he didn’t edit the text in other sections to correspond with his changes. Close.

Now I’ll go back to further educate myself on pinging people and linking to talk pages. I can edit wiki pages, but it’s the talk pages that are killing me. Thanks for your patience Sundayclose. KaytieKay (talk) 06:02, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit from Grunty 89
@Grunty89 Can you please explain “this is probably him” and your unnecessary changes to this? KaytieKay (talk) 07:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Regarding this: I was using Radaris to do some checks on some names of people. It has been cited as a source before in some other articles, so I decided to use it. If it's deemed to be "unencyclopedic" (for lack of a better term) then so be it; I have no problem with it being reverted if that is the case. I don't normally edit articles for musicians or other individuals anyway.  Grunty89 &#124; Let's talk about that.  JR_logo_JRgroup.svg 07:42, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What was the point of changing it? Just to increase your number of edits? It’s been Deen J. Castronovo since the beginning of the wiki article. And the title of your edit is supposed to have a more descriptive title. KaytieKay (talk) 07:46, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Former Member of VS Associated With
@80s Sam Did we really have to go around this subject again? *REVIEW YOUR SOURCES.* Covering drummer duties/session drumming does not a member make. Playing on an album does not make you a member. Playing on *one* song doesn’t make you a member. Why you continuously ignore this is beyond me. It’s like you want to perpetuate the incorrect info rather than do your research. How about listening or reading an interview from Deen. You can’t support a secondary source with another secondary source. @Sundayclose was very clear with this. You agreed to change it. KaytieKay (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Repeated Unsourced Edit
User:TerryAlex is making edits to the article without sources. Additionally, it isn’t true that Deen was married at the time of the arrest. Although User:TerryAlex thinks they are being clever by using their wiki name rather than their ISP as they did with their original edit, the changes are still traceable. I’ve flagged the last two changes with a vandalism tag and plan to report their edit warring. (They showed their history of edit warring with their edit of another article in August of this year.)

User:TerryAlex Please refresh your memory and research, regarding the editing and sourcing requirements to prevent a permanent ban from Wikipedia. Rule 6. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:10SR&redirect=no KaytieKay (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, I apologized for the wrong revert. I simply use AntiVandal and must have overlooked and made a mistake. However, I take no interest in this article. was the only edit that I made and any older edits were not done by me. Please trace back to those edits if you have any issues. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 03:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * TerryAlex This doesn’t make sense to me. If you’re a seasoned wiki editor, why would you revert to not only a grammatically incorrect version, but one with unsourced and false information? As far I know about AV, it’s supposed to target the user who got the first warning, which wasn’t me. If what you’ve said is true and you aren’t the ISP address/anonymous user who made the first changes. The original edit that added “wife” to the article traces to the Salem area where Deen is from. Clearly, they have a personal vendetta against him, which can also be flagged.
 * TerryAlex I don’t know if people realize but every time a Wikipedia article is edited, this affects the algorithm of search results on Google because they are linked. Wiki is, basically, in bed with them. Deen’s photo has now been affected when you search on Google because of the edits of his personal section. Try Googling him. That’s a PR issue that his agent is going to have to repair now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaytieKay (talk • contribs) 09:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello KaytieKay, I have no interest in this article or subject. My intention was to revert the "wife" vandalism but ended up mistakenly reverting your (already corrected) version instead. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 17:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)