Talk:Deerhoof

Untitled
I updated the link to the discography, but I don't know how to name it, so it would be cool if someone could rename that [1] at the bottom of the links.

Deerhoof's Influence section
I noticed several of the bands listed as being influenced by Deerhoof have been around longer than Deerhoof, which is odd... The linked references in respect to Foo Fighters and Stereolab are completely spurious - just people saying they like like Deerhoof or have been listening to Deerhoof, not that they've been influenced in any way, so I wonder if any of the others are real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.100.31 (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Forum link
The forum that is linked to (deerhoof.org) is just a bunch of spam. not really worthwhile.

Noise Rock?
I can't think of any one singular genre that would describe Deerhoof, but it certainly isn't noise rock ...

George Michael Brower 23:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I like to refer to them as Avant-Garde Pop. I think the term fits them very well. — Cursif 04:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people seem to agree on "noise pop". But Deerhoof incorporate a lot of different sounds and just because they sound "cute" or "cheerful" people seem to want to slap them with "indie pop" or twee and just leave it at that. It's important to consider their entire discography, including (The Man, The King, The Girl and Halfbird, for example) before attempting to prove noise is not a legitimate descriptor.

...and most important is that probably 80% of music journalism floating out there concerning Deerhoof describes them as noise rock or noise pop or experimental rock or all three. Isn't this article based on sources like that and not just a few errant editors on Wikipedia?--71.239.172.215 (talk) 03:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Sorry, hadn't signed in.--Jentizzle (talk) 03:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Bibidi Babidi Boo
I deleted the album Bibidi Babidi Boo from the discography -- I can't find any references to it on the web. Some people are sharing an album with that title on P2P but that could have come from anywhere. 203.194.2.63
 * Here you go: . Reverted.

Hahahaha, why does "Japanese native" in "Japanese native Satomi Matsuzaki" link to the Wikipedia article "Japanese-american"?

I re-added it. There's numerous reviews and it was an actual, online-only release.--Velvet elvis81 20:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

photo
Can we do something about the picture? Cohen has left the band.

marriage?
did greg saunier and satomi matsuzaki really get married? if so, why did that disappear from this page (it seems relevant....) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.254.89 (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Nervous Cop
I can't see any reference to Joanna Newsom on the label's factsheet for the band. unsubstantiated? 129.67.48.118 05:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

neutrality
The neutrality of a lot of assertions and wording in this article are not very neutral at all... for example:

"played in a wild improvisational style, and produced using a wide and bizarre sound palette."

I don't find it that bizarre.

"The austerity and detachment of the performances concealed the intense emotion within the songs."

That sounds like a press release.

"One could say that all of Deerhoof's subsequent albums have fallen between the aesthetic extremes posited by these first two."

One could say that dinosaurs wear suitjackets too.

"When it was released in 2001, it revealed an increasing compositional sophistication, as well as a more subtle and layered orchestration that belied their modest DIY recording methods."

Well, Sgt. Pepper's was recorded on an 8-track. Recording by yourself doesn't mean you can't create subtle and layered orchestration. This is just another press release sounding tidbit, telling us how awesome Deerhoof is.

"and Deerhoof has come to be widely recognized as musical innovators and trendsetters."

Says who? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.83.68 (talk) 20:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm updating the page now and some of these comments are helpful. But because some descriptions sound like a press release to you does not necessarily make them untrue. For instance the first two sentences quoted above. These are not the same as saying that the songs are good. They simply describe features of the music or put the music into context. See other musician's wikipedia pages for comparison. Attempts to describe the music are basic to an encyclopedia entry, and while they are open to discussion and change, they do not require citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.52.114 (talk) 03:08, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually Sgt Pepper's was recorded on a 4-track, but that doesn't mean it used modest DIY recording methods. It was the absolute vanguard of recording, technically and financially, of its day, and Abbey Road Studios was one of the most advanced and well-equipped studios in the world in 1966-67. And it was not DIY, they had a producer, several engineers, two arrangers, and close to one hundred session musicians in total. Halfbird was recorded on cassette 4-track, the cheapest multitrack recording option available. It was self-produced, self-arranged, self-recorded, self-mixed, and had no outside musicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.52.114 (talk) 02:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the original unsigned poster's point has some merit. While as an English major I'm loathe to remove perfectly good descriptive words, I think it's pretty clear that some of the writing on this page wouldn't fly in other parts of wikipedia. Because it's a music related article, there is always going to be some difficulty translating the experience to words. That doesn't mean we can revert to hyperbole and fandom. I might think they're a great band, too, or I might not, but I feel the article needs quite a bit of work, even if it is, unfortunately as it were, a pleasure to read right now. Might look into that soon...just the wrong time of night for it right now Clemenjo (talk) 11:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

discography
the discography section is quite incomplete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.167.200 (talk) 09:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Offend Maggie
This album will be released a few weeks from now, so I've recreated an artcle on it. We'll see if it gets deleted yet again. Eco84 | Talk 21:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Noise rock
In case no one sees my comments further up the page, I'm repeating them here:

"A lot of people seem to agree on "noise pop". But Deerhoof incorporate a lot of different sounds and just because they sound "cute" or "cheerful" people seem to want to slap them with "indie pop" or twee and just leave it at that. It's important to consider their entire discography, including (The Man, The King, The Girl and Halfbird, for example) before attempting to prove noise is not a legitimate descriptor.

...and most important is that probably 80% of music journalism floating out there concerning Deerhoof describes them as noise rock or noise pop or experimental rock or all three. Isn't this article based on sources like that and not just a few errant editors on Wikipedia?

There was a careless paragraph saying classification was difficult but that most people classify them as "indie rock" which was UNSOURCED. If the editor who added this can find one of the few reviews which actually merits such a description, I'll find many more which describe Deerhoof as a mix of genres (usually including noise). Just because classification is difficult does not mean an editor should take it upon him/herself to say one genre fits definitively better than others, even in the name of simplification...without any sources. For now, I'm just removing the paragraph.--Jentizzle (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Genre list
I'm deleting the following genres from the infobox: avant-garde music, post-punk revival, post-rock, post-modern music, progressive rock, and 21st century classical music. The entire list is unsourced and that's grounds to delete the entire thing right there, but I'm only removing the worst offenders, i.e. the ones that don't make any sense or are the biggest stretches. 66.234.194.63 (talk) 07:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears someone reverted my edit. I changed it back. Whoever it was should explain why. 66.234.194.63 (talk) 08:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And now the entire thing is gone. Just as well. :) 69.42.19.39 (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The Foundations of Founding: Found And Lost
Intro: "They consist of founding drummer Greg Saunier [...]" 'History' sub-section 'Formation': "Deerhoof were formed in San Francisco in 1994 as Rob Fisk's improvisational bass/harmonica solo project." Contradiction! I don't know the facts, I don't have access to verifiable sources. Please, get and set it straight! Korinthus (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Greg and Rob were in a band together called Nitre Pit, with 2 others (Aaron and his partner, I don't remember her name unfortunately). Greg, Aaron, and the woman came to SF after being students at Oberlin College. Nitre Pit was a four-piece band. More aggressive and harder than Deerhoof was to become later. Rob and Greg met there, as far as I know. I knew them and saw them play many times in SF in the early/mid 90's. Rob did their album artwork, as well as the early Deerhoof art, and it shared the same aesthetic. I'm not too familiar with Deerhoof's career after they took off, but the Apple O' album cover looks like the same aesthetic style to me, but I don't know who did the artwork. Greg and Rob lived together for a spell. I think that's when the current singer arrived from Japan. I remember being at their apartment and meeting her just after she arrived. These are personal memories, which of course are subject to error. But definitely Greg and Rob knew each other and played together before Deerhoof formed. Deerhoof formed after Aaron and his partner left. 135.180.82.117 (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just remembered something else. The Nitre Pit album I had (and got from Rob) had a deer hoof-print design, a painting Rob did. A small black two-toed hoof-print on a white and black background. At least I think it was a painting. So even more connection there between Deerhoof and Nitre Pit. 135.180.82.117 (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Dirt Pirate Creed
it's listed as their first album in the discography section, but the history section refers to "their 1997 debut album the man, the king, the girl". it presumably is not their debut album if dirt pirate creed was their debut album. google seems to confirm that dirt pirate creed exists.

this error extends to many (all?) of the articles on their albums. "halfbird is the third album by deerhoof", plainly not if dirt pirate creed counts. perhaps it doesnt, in this case it will need to be reclassified in the discography section. 139.218.230.112 (talk) 08:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)