Talk:Deforestation in Thailand

WWF report on deforestation
I have tried to change the original claim in the article that, "An estimate by the World Wildlife Fund concluded that between 1973 and 2009, Thailand's forests declined by 43%". But my edit was undone with the explanation that I had "misunderstood the data". I have not. The published claim on Wikipedia is not what the sourced report says and it's disingenuous to continue boldly claiming something that isn't in the report.

I have reinstated my changes, but to avoid this edit being undone again, I would like to explain:

Here is the sourced WWF report from 2015 (Chapter 5 – go to "Greater Mekong" subsection) https://wwfeu.awsassets.panda.org/downloads/living_forests_report_chapter_5___saving_forests_at_risk.pdf

The report says, "Between 1973 and 2009, forests in the Greater Mekong declined by almost a third: 43 per cent in Vietnam and Thailand; 24 per cent in Lao PDR and Myanmar; and 22 per cent in Cambodia."

However you slice, it this is not the same thing as "Thailand's forests have declined by 43%."

In truth, it is not immediately clear from the WWF report whether its citation means "43% of forestry has been lost in Thailand & Vietnam *combined*" or "43% of forests in Thailand and 43% of forests in Vietnam". However, given that (43+24+22) divided by 3 does indeed total "almost a third", it seems likely that the 43% is the figure for GMS forest loss across both countries combined, and that the citation effectively means (paraphrased): "One-third of the whole Greater Mekong Subregion's forest cover has been lost. This figure breaks down regionally as: 43% of the forestry across Vietnam and Thailand combined being lost, 22% of Cambodia's and 24% of combined-Lao-and-Myanmar's.".

FYI: The 2015 WWF data came from an earlier (2013) WWF report (https://wwf.panda.org/?208456/Ecosystems-in-the-Greater-Mekong-past-trends-cud%20rrent-status-possible-futures) which unfortunately is not much clearer, but does at least confirm that the percentages are the percentages of loss for the countries themselves, not percentages of the whole GMS: "During this period, the proportion of forests lost in each country was 22 per cent for Cambodia, 24 per cent for Laos and Myanmar, and 43 per cent for Thailand and Vietnam (Figure 2.2a). However, the different sizes of the various countries mean that their proportional contributions to total forest loss vary. Forest loss in Myanmar accounted for about 31 per cent of total forest loss for the GMS, followed by Thailand (27 per cent), Vietnam (24 per cent), Laos (12 per cent) and Cambodia (7 per cent, all figures rounded)."

I hope this explains. If the editor still continues to see this whole thing as problematic, perhaps the whole disputed sentence should be removed. It could maybe be replaced with the one in the last sentence of the final quote above? i.e. "Between 1973 and 2009, the WWF estimates that Thailand accounted for 27% of the forest loss in the whole Greater Mekong subregion."

Trouble archiving links on the article
Hello. I am finding myself repeatedly archiving links on this page. This usually happens when the archive doesn't recognize the archive to be good.

This could be because the link is either a redirect, or I am unknowingly archiving a dead link.Please check the following links to see if it's redirecting, or in anyway bad, and fix them, if possible.

In any event this will be the only notification in regards to these links, and I will discontinue my attempts to archive the page.
 * http://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?uNewsID=245370
 * http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/284574/pm-misses-the-boat-again-on-northern-haze

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 16:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Sources modified on Deforestation in Thailand
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just attempted to maintain the sources on Deforestation in Thailand. I managed to add archive links to 1 1 source, out of the total 1 I modified, whiling tagging 0 as dead.

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 * Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120826002914/http://www1.american.edu/TED/urban-forest-thailand.htm to http://www.american.edu/TED/urban-forest-thailand.htm

Cheers.—cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 16:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)