Talk:Delhi/Archive 4

Images
Why does the article have 2 images on Connaught Place? --Mellisa Anthony Jones (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Check external links!
Friends, I think we should check external links used in references, further reading and external links section as a few of them are not working. It would be necessary to provide immediate replacement for such references. One such link is reference to 0.2 degree minimum temperature in Delhi. Even the fact is not proved as Delhi has seen lower temps in past. -  ℳanik here since June' 2007 ( talk  •   contributions  ) 00:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The specific example you cited (the lowest temperature reference) is not anymore available online in its location. However, it is archived in Internet Archive. That's the reason the retrieval date is given along with the reference. However, that this is available in the internet archive should be mentioned. And better is, replacing with a readily available source.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Now provided the archive URL and date. Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, more dead links, if there are any, should be checked and taken action against.--Dwaipayan (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sister cities
Could somebody add fast the sister cities of Delhi to the article? It would be important for me to create an FA article in the Hungarian Wikipedia. Than you. --Ksanyi (talk) 21:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Language Terminology
In the demographics section I noticed that the terms "associate offical language" and "second official languages" were used. I would suggest that either the terms be linked, if there is an explanation of what those terms mean elsewhere in Wikipedia, or that each term be followed by a brief explanation in brackets. I would defer to people more knowledgeable than I to do the latter, although, as an unknowledgeable person about the subject, I found the following website page to be helpful: http://www.gloriousindia.org/languages.php

Regards Tschurin (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited version on Hemu Vikramaditya in the year 1556 on DELHI. Citation Needed.
Please note there dozens of books which support what I had added to Delhi website of wikipedia.

Imperial Gazetteer of India while describing 2nd Battle of Panipat writes about Hemu "A man of genius a great warrior & a great administrator,the victor of 22 pitched battles etc."

A British writer, Vincent A. Smith in his book, AKBAR: The Great Mugal pp36-37 (Oxford, 1926) "With the concurrence of his Generals he entered Delhi,raised the canopy over his head & exercised the most cherished privilede of sovereignty by striking coin in his own name. He assumed the style of 'Raja Vikramaditya' which had beed borne by several of the most renowned Hindu Monarchs in ancient times and so entered the field as a competitor for the thorne of Hindustan against both Akbar and Sikandar Sur."

Prof. R.C.Mazumdar in his book "The Mugal empire" Appendix (By the Editor) - Himu- A forgotten Hindu Hero, p100, Published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan writes:Whatever had been the desire or the motive of Himu,decided the direction of his future and did preparations accordingly. He won over the hearts of Afghans who helped him in the wars. He distributed wealth librally among the Generals. With their concurrence and support he captured Delhi. After 'Coronation' and completing all the formalities he declared himself as 'Raja Vikramaditya' or Samrat Hem Chander Vikramaditya.He introduced Coins also in his name.

"Akbarnama" a book by Sheikh Abul Fazal, translated by Dr. Mathura Lal Sharma, on page 155-156 state Hemu and Ibrahim had fought many battles. Ibrahim wanted to become a Sultan, but Hemu always defeated him. In Bengal, Sultan Mohammed did become the ruler but he lost. Hemu had fought 22 battles against Adil Shah's enemies and had won all of them. This encouraged him to capture Delhi and establish Hindu Rule in Hindustan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.89 (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Edited version on Hemu Vikramaditya in the year 1556 on DELHI. Citation Needed.
Please note that there dozens of books which support what I had added to Delhi website of wikipedia.

Imperial Gazetteer of India while describing 2nd Battle of Panipat writes about Hemu "A man of genius a great warrior & a great administrator,the victor of 22 pitched battles etc."

A British writer, Vincent A. Smith in his book, AKBAR: The Great Mugal pp36-37 (Oxford, 1926) "With the concurrence of his Generals he entered Delhi,raised the canopy over his head & exercised the most cherished privilede of sovereignty by striking coin in his own name. He assumed the style of 'Raja Vikramaditya' which had beed borne by several of the most renowned Hindu Monarchs in ancient times and so entered the field as a competitor for the thorne of Hindustan against both Akbar and Sikandar Sur."

Prof. R.C.Mazumdar in his book "The Mugal empire" Appendix (By the Editor) - Himu- A forgotten Hindu Hero, p200, Published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan writes:Whatever had been the desire or the motive of Himu,decided the direction of his future and did preparations accordingly. He won over the hearts of Afghans who helped him in the wars. He distributed wealth librally among the Generals. With their concurrence and support he captured Delhi. After 'Coronation' and completing all the formalities he declared himself as 'Raja Vikramaditya' or Samrat Hem Chander Vikramaditya.He introduced Coins also in his name.

"Akbarnama" a book by Sheikh Abul Fazal, translated by Dr. Mathura Lal Sharma, on page 155-156 state Hemu and Ibrahim had fought many battles. Ibrahim wanted to become a Sultan, but Hemu always defeated him. In Bengal, Sultan Mohammed did become the ruler but he lost. Hemu had fought 22 battles against Adil Shah's enemies and had won all of them. This encouraged him to capture Delhi and establish Hindu Rule in Hindustan.

One can refer following books on Hemu:

"HEMU - Nepoleon of Medieval india" by K.K.Bhardwaj, Delhi "ANOKHA AAROHI" by Kranti Trivedi, Lucknow "MUGHAL EMPIRE" by Ishwari Prashad "HEMU AND HIS TIMES" by M.L.Bhargava "HEMU" By R.K.Bhardwaj "A History of India" by Romila Thapar Vol. 1, Penguin "The Akbar Nama" By Abul Fazal Vol.1 & 2 (Tras. by H.Beverage)Delhi "Akbar the great Mughal" by A. Vincent smith "The Mughal Empire" by A.L.Srivastva

I, Sudhirkbhargava, would like two sentences, which have been removed in last editing, to be re-added to the Delhi website.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.128.89 (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Managing supporting articles.
Since the Delhi article is now "FA class". I guess we should devote time in upgrading secondary supporting articles like Transport in Delhi. It would be good if we can provide extensive informations in those articles and manage them to get atleast an "A class" rating. -  ℳanik here since June' 2007 ( talk  •   contributions  ) 09:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Population Table
User:Gppande has added this table. I don't think it's suited for the Delhi page because:
 * ALL Featured Indian city articles do not have this table and have not had this table when they became featured
 * This table would work better on the Mumbai statistics page
 * The average reader doesnt really care about how many people lived in the city 20 years ago and 30 years ago
 * The demographics section is supposed to reflect the current demographics including religion, ethnicity, etc.
 * This table contains very auxiliary information. It not important
 * It's very big and bulky and is really not that informative

Nikkul (talk) 04:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have moved the discussion to here as this involves discussion on 2 pages. Better to have centralized discussion. -- gp pande «talk» 09:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jainrajat11 (talk) 13:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added the image of IIT, Delhi to the Education section

WP:INDIA Banner/Delhi Addition
Note: WP India Project Banner with Delhi workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Delhi or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate, please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag   TALK2ME  03:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

oldest continually inhabited cities in the world
Where is this claim coming from. the linked page itself doesn't contain a mention of Delhi. Will remove, if there is concurrence. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 05:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless there is an archaeological record going back to 1000BC or so, I agree it should be removed. --Regents Park (count the magpies) 12:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Skyline image
I suggest that we should make a collage of images for the skyline like how it is done in London, Istanbul and Beijing aticles. In this way we can portray the old and new modernized delhi. I reckon that the lotus temple, india gate, one of the modern areas of delhi like for example - gurgaon or noida's akyline or perhaps barakhamba road which has some high rise buildings and if someones has a good image of the commonwealth village. Enthusiast10 (talk) 14:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes
I've replaced some of the pathetic images on this article. A list of changes:


 * 1) Replaced images on Humayun's Tomb and India Gate with ones of higher resolution, better focus and clarity.
 * 2) Removed image on "Yamuna". Well, it was an image on the vegetation on the banks of the Yamuna. So, had no significance.
 * 3) Replaced image on CP with a better one featuring Barakhamba Road.
 * 4) Removed image of IGI airport. It was taken in 2005 and was hence outdated. The portion of the airport shown has undergone changes since. And besides, the image didn't show much.
 * 5) Replaced image on auto-rickshaw with one on rajpath as an image on private vehicles is more representative of delhi's transport.
 * 6) Added image on Garden of Five Senses

If anyone has any issues regarding my changes, please discuss before reverting my edits :) --Enigma Blues (talk) 14:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Why 1958?
The info box says that the territory was established in 1958, but there's nothing in the text about it. Why not 1947? Or, if something important did happen in 1958, what exactly was it? I'd be grateful for any clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.17.154.153 (talk) 20:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Montage
Since there was no image on Delhi's skyline, unlike Mumbai, the need for a montage as a lead image was felt similar to those in articles on New York City, Chicago and London. Hope fellow Wikipedians like it. --Dilli Billi (talk) 03:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no need for a montage. Most cities have just one image. The point of the image is to show a picture of a defining image (skyline/ monument) of the city. One is enough. Nikkul (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And can you provide a link to this Wikipedia policy? I did not find any such Wikipedia guideline that montages are not allowed as lead-in images. Stop making your own rules here. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Secondly, the Lotus Temple is not a "defining image" of Delhi. There are numerous more monuments in Delhi which are even more significant and popular. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thirdly, you have a problem with the montage. But you reverted all recent changes done to the article. Please do not carry on with this unproductive behavior. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the montage is a grt idea but can we can get some images that are more iconic to the city- I think that the red fort or india gate is beter off than the lotus temple. The gurgaon business park should also be changed too, if someone has a beter skyline image. I have a skyline image that is used in the gurgaon article but it is not very good quality and doesn't comeout that well when put in where skyline should be.Enthusiast10 (talk) 19:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) I kinda like the montage idea! I'm ok with the Lotus temple being in the montage (though Red Fort would be better if we use one image rather than a montage) but the Gurgaon office buildings picture must go. Gurgaon is not in Delhi! May I also add that Dilli Billi is doing a fine job and a peremptory removal of the montage is a bit bitey.--Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 19:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * How about an image on Qutub Minar, or Delhi metro, or Connaught Place to replace the image on Gurgaon Business Park? --128.211.201.161 (talk) 20:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delhi Metro or Connaught Place are both good ideas. I'd vote yes to either. --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 20:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that I'm not able to find any suitable replacement. There are quite a few other monuments, landmarks and famous and iconic places which aren't represented in the article. For example, Lodhi Gardens, Birla mandir, Purana Qila, Raj Ghat, Bangla Sahib and Pragati Maidan. Any suggestions? --128.211.201.161 (talk) 22:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Purana Qila seems the most photogenic of the lot. Pragati Maidan is an ugly monstrosity that is best ignored. Bangla Sahib and Lotus Temple would be too much emphasis on religion. Would a photograph of Rajghat look nice - I don't know what it looks like. Coming to think of it, wouldn't Jama Masjid be more of a 'Delhi' picture than the Lotus temple?--Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 02:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is a nice one of Jama Masjid. Also, how about this for the Delhi Metro? --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 02:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I was thinking the montage should include images of monuments which are not represented well in the article. There is an image on Jama Masjid in the Demographics section. Besides, it will over represent Mughal architecture. The Delhi metro image looks nice though. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 02:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

(I've been asked at my talkpage to comment on this.) I'm generally not in favour of montages. However, I agree that, for a city as old and diverse as Delhi, no single image can be representative enough. I prefer keeping one of the most iconic images in the infobox and adding other images to suitable sections. As beautiful as the Lotus temple is, it is not a top icon of Delhi, in my opinion. Red Fort could be a better choice. In addition, I feel that we should have other pictures too, in addition to buildings. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * regent park- I agree that dilli billi has done a grt job. I'm giving him a lot of credit and he has visualy enhanced the article. And I reckon Gurgaon should be in the monatge or some other modern part of delhi. Regent- Delhi is NCR- which includes-noida, greater noida or gurgaon. unlike in other cities any part of delhi has not managed to have a skyline and the only part that is modern is gurgaon. I think gurgaon or some other modern area should be a part of the montageEnthusiast10 (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not very supportive of montages. I prefer a panoramic skyline. The choice of pictures for montages is subjective, and for some inexplicit reason, almost always featuring buildings! Toronto has a nice skyline picture. Just curious: Is there an elevated region in Delhi that the skyline can be taken of? Maybe Raisina Hill or The Ridge? =Nichalp   «Talk»=  20:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The skyline of Delhi is not particularly exciting. I like the montage idea because it is hard to get a single iconic image of Delhi. Red Fort, Jama Masjid, Rashtrapati Bhavan (a picture of Rashtrapati Bhavan looking up from India Gate, perhaps with a wide angle lens, would be a great single picture if there is someone in Delhi with a good camera!), Connaught Place, the modern Delhi, perhaps a busy crossing, a good shot of Old Delhi Railway Station, Qutab, the metro, etc. etc. are all iconic. Still, in commons we have this (I quite like it but I don't think that'll be universal!). I'm not too keen on a Gurgaon picture because it is technically in Haryana and does not have the same shared history but if including a gurgaon picture in a montage is generally considered ok, so be it.


 * Other single image possibilities: Red Fort, India Gate (nice picture, but is it iconic?). The Red Fort one is kind of nice because the Fort is historic but the location is also an important part of modern India. --Regents Park (sniff out my socks) 21:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, Nikkul has added his own version of montage without even discussing. My problem is with the fountain in the montage. Here we are scratching our head over which monument should be a part of the montage and Nikkul puts an image on fountain. So, according to Nikkul that fountain has more iconic status than Red Fort, Qutub Minar etc. etc. This is hilarious! --128.211.201.161 (talk) 05:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, User:128.211.201.161 added an image of the dome of the Rastrapati Bhavan which can barely be seen from the fog, an image of 3 buildings (which have no importance whatsoever) in Gurgoan, which is NOT part of Delhi. I think my montage is much better, much more relevant,and more encyclopedic. Nikkul (talk) 06:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not a big fan of the 1st montage either and that is why I suggested images on some monuments to replace the one on Business Park in Gurgaon. And regarding your montage, obviously you'll find it much better because you made it. And you've again added that blurry, unclear image on Humayun's Tomb. We have much better options out there. Thanks --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi all I am from Mumbai I am opening my mouth over her just because User with IP adress 128.211.201.161 asked me to resolve this montage issue with Nikkul. According to me its upto Delhi people to decide what to use as montage or as Article image. According to me you people must decide what you want an image or a montage. Then proceed towards poll for a selection of image or images(in case of montage) In short you people will have to conduct atlest two polls.--  Suyogaerospace talk to me! 06:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Personally speaking Delhi is so vast that paranoma will not suite. I'll prefer montage. With montage you can show dffrent important Buldings/places in just one shot!!
 * Brilliant idea. We can have a poll on which images to include in the montage.--128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of montage

 * Support --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Lotus Temple image

 * Support - But, I prefer this image from Flickr in cc-by-sa-2.0 license over this one. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support -- as per User:128.211.201.161's suggestion. ~ Troy (talk) 22:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Safdarjung's Tomb

 * Support - Image:Delhi Safdarjung's Tomb.jpg is very good and relevant as there is no image on this tomb in the article.--128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Rashtrapati Bhawan

 * Support - Image:New Delhi Rastrapati Bhavan.jpg is grainy but is suitable enough for montage. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Lodhi Gardens

 * Support - But we can look for a better image --128.211.201.161 (talk) 07:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

New Montage
Hey guys! This is User:Dilli Billi. Apologies for the late reply. I forgot my prev account's password so had to make a new one. Back to the point, I've added a newer version of montage:

The primary motive was to create an eye-pleasing montage which represented Delhi well and also, reflected different eras in its History.


 * Qutub Minar: Was added because the most prominent monument built during the Delhi Sultanate. The Sultanate played the most crucial role in making Delhi a commercial and political center and needs to represented.


 * Safdarjung's Tomb: A prominent Mughal monument in Delhi. Plus, no image on it in the article.


 * Rashtrapati Bhawan: Prominent British Raj era building. Houses President of India.


 * Delhi metro: Image on transport in Delhi. Modern era of India.


 * Lotus Temple: Monument which reflects modern Indian architecture and also Delhi's religious diversity.

Hope fellow Wikipedians will like the montage! Any changes or suggestion you would like to make, please let me know. Cheers! --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And apologies for including an image on Gurgaon in prev montage. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Found some skyline/aerial photos of Delhi which some might find interesting: Image:View from the top of the Jama Masjid Minaret New Delhi by od.jpg, Image:Dwarkasc4.JPG, Image:Dwarkasc2.jpg, and . --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added a new montage keeping in mind User:DelhiBelly's opinions. The new images include Lotus Temple (modern Delhi), India Gate (Colonial Delhi), Rastrapati Bhavan (Politics in Delhi), Humayun's Tomb (a world heritage site) (ancient Delhi), and Akshradham Temple (modern Delhi). I think this is a good mix of images showing different parts of Delhi. DelhiBelly wanted the Askhdhram Temple there & wanted a clearer image of Huymaun;s Tomb...so I added that and kept the India gate image since this is a symbol of Delhi. Nikkul (talk) 06:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Role of Delhi Sultanate
Previously, the intro paras specifically mentioned that Delhi was the capital of the Mughal Empire but didn't mention the role of Delhi Sultanate. I've changed the paragraph to mention the Sultanate and also added sources. Hope others don't have a problem with it. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And I would like to mention my amusement at the lack of sources in this "featured article". --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 08:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Montage restrictions
Please clarify if we can mix different creative commons licences to create a montage at WT:C. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  18:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont see a problem: it's not like we're giving a license to the montage as a whole. The licenses listed are for individual images. See montages. Nikkul (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ummn, we are making a derivative image. The creative commons licence allows us to do that, but mixing different creative commons versions might create a noodle soup. Let's have them clarified instead of facing the ignominy of a deletion. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  15:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Good you bought this point up. The montage which I made consisted of images with cc-by-2.0 (which does not state any restriction on the license of derivative work ) and cc-by-sa-2.0 (which states that derivative work should have same or similar license ). So, the montage should have cc-by-sa-2.0 or cc-by-sa-3.0 license. Regarding Nikkul's version, it needs to update the source of its images and licenses. --Delhi Belly 2 (talk) 07:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Municipal Corporation Square Kilometers
Hello, exactly how many square kilometers in size if the Delhi Municipal Corporation within the National Capital Territory? I ask, because I've seen the Municipal Corporation given an area of 1,484 sq km, 1,397.29 sq km, and 431 sq km (http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2006/Table08.pdf). Is there anyway someone could contact the city government and see exactly how much land the Delhi Municipal Corporation administers? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Delhi on the Main Page
Delhi is on the Main page. Kensplanet Talk  Contributions  04:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yay! :D 220.227.165.210 (talk) 07:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Montage
The montage picture in the lead is very distasteful. One of the oldest relic found in India, the iron pillar of Ashok is missing. How can the picture of such a historical monument not find mention? Where is the metro? The commercial hubs? The connaught place? Also the Akshardham is displayed twice. The lead talks about Delhi being a modern metropolis with advanced strides in modernism. The present lead pictures give out the impression that it is some kind of religious capital! Sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.160.243 (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not the page for New Delhi, which is the capital.--GDibyendu (talk) 09:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Delhi Municipal Corporation vs. National Capital Territorial Government
What was the official population number for Delhi Municipal Corporation in 2001, which is a local government inside of the Nationa Capitol Territory, and what is the most recent estimate for the corporation? While this page may cover the entire territory/state, I think it would be important to add a local government section or rework the current administration section to make it clear that Delhi City, Cantonment, and New Delhi are local governments within a territory that has a territory level government above the municipalities. As this page currently reads, everything is jammed together, local government and territorial government, alike. There needs to be a clear distinction made between the three local governments that operate inside the territory and the territorial government. Does this make sense to anyone? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)