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The user that created and is editing this article is the article's subject, Derek Hartley. Spacuna is a publicly know internet nic for Derek Hartley and a simple google search bears that out from his Livejournal page to his Myspace page to his OkCupid page to his Evite page among many, many others.

For the moment, let's set aside that this article is a work of Autobiography and is clearly a practice that is frowned upon by Wikipedia. The sources that Derek has added to support his Notability don't meet the stated guidelines for notability. Let's take a look at it, shall we...

The primary notability criterion[edit]

One notability criterion shared by nearly all of the subject-specific notability guidelines, as well as Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not1, is the criterion that a topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself.

  • What constitutes "published works" is broad and encompasses published works in all forms, including but not limited to newspapers, books and e-books, magazines, television and radio documentaries, reports by government agencies, scientific journals, etc.
  • The "independence" qualification excludes all self-publicity, advertising by the subject, self-published material, autobiographies, press releases, and other such works affiliated with the subject, its creators, or others with a vested interest or bias.2
  • "Non-triviality" is an evaluation of the depth of content contained in the published work, exclusive of mere directory entry information, and of how directly it addresses the subject.3
  • The "multiple" qualification is not specific as to number, and can vary depending on the reliability of the sources and the other factors of notability. For example, several newspapers all publishing the same article from a news wire service is not a multiplicity of works, while several researchers or journalists all doing their own research on a single subject and writing their own separate articles do constitute "multiple" sources.
  • "Reliable", as explained in the reliability guidelines, requires the source to have a certain level of editorial integrity in order to allow for a verifiable evaluation of the topic's notability.

One rationale for this criterion is the fact that sources independent of a subject have noted that subject in depth (by creating multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works about it) demonstrates that it is notable.

Derek has added a link to his employer, one of their press releases and self-promotional interviews [1] [2] (one of which he has used as two separate sources). The only other piece that Hartley has come up with that might qualify is this one from ExpressGayNews. It's a piece from a local GLBT publication in Fort Lauderdale, Florida that self-proclaims a local circulation of 20,000. It is self-promotional in nature and among other things mentions a book that Hartley has been claiming for years he's authored and is going to be published. No such book has ever materialized.

Even if any of the sources qualified to make Hartley notable, he hasn't followed the manual of style for Citing sources.

The only thing Hartley has demonstrated with his links is that he works for SIRIUS and is a self- promoter. Check out the article for Alhambra, California and Fredericksburg, Virginia. Hartley added himself to the list of famous natives under his Spacuna account as well as this new anon IP account 69.200.237.64.

I've found no mentions of Hartley or his accomplishments in national media as is the case with his colleagues on OutQ, Michelangelo Signorile and Frank DeCaro. There are no links to this article from within Wikipedia other than the those created by Hartley himself

My challenge remains the same as it does on the talk page for one of Hartley's other user accounts, User_talk:Rainbowangie

Just because one says they're famous and adds themselves to lists of famous people doesn't make them notable or even famous for that matter.

LibearyGay 01:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am the author and subject of this Wikipedia entry. I was previously the subject of a Wikipedia entry in 2004 (see Deletion Log), published by user RDsmith4. I am not RDSmith4, Rainbowangie or any other named user of Wikipedia. I did create this page because I was already mentioned in other parts of the site, most notably on the page for Sirius OutQ, and I am a notable figure.

The link to my employer was merely to verify the launch date of my show since I felt it was the most accurate record of that event. However, it was the subject of numerous news reports which included me by name, including those for Gay City News in Chicago, 365Gay.com, Advocate.com, the Hollywood Reporter and PlanetOut.com, [3] which also noted my status as a columnist with the site.

Over the past four years, I have been the subject of numerous articles both locally and nationally, including The New York Times (On Every Parade A Little Rain, columnist Bob Morris 6/29/03)[4] and Time Magazine (Making Waves, author Daren Fonda, 5/9/05) [5] which have discussed my status as a national radio show host, columnist or both. In national gay media, I have been covered extensively as well, including Girlfriends Magazine (Men We Love, 8/04), The Advocate (Surviving Pride, author Vincent Lopez, 6/21/05), and an article in HX Mgazine (Radio Activity, author Brandon Voss 5/12/06) that was syndicated nationally. My birth in Fredericksburg, VA was noted in an article in the Fredericksburg Free Lance Star (author Emily Gilmore, 8/12/04) [6] and my national notoriety was noted again there the following year (Fredericksburg Free Lance Star, author Natasha Altamirano, 8/28/05). [7]

If someone has something negative and verifiable, or even positive and verifiable, I welcome that inclusion in this entry. However, I feel that I and my entry are the subject of a personal attack which implies dishonesty on my part. While my novice as a Wikipedia user may have caused some style issues on the page, which could (and should) easily be corrected by more experienced hands, this entry is true, accurate, and verifiable, and should remain on this site.

Spacuna 07:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking at this article and will be addressing concerns leading to three flags currently on the article -- POV neutrality, cleanup and citations. Can an editor please look at removing these flags, especially as article conforms more and more to Wiki standards? THANKS! (I'm an LGBT activist and am familiar with Derek Hartley's career, but I'm not Derek or anyone closely associated with him. Will exercise best journalistic standards re: neutrality.)

User:threethingsmedia 07:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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