Talk:Detroit ZMC-2

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Brian Rock 02:30, 26 Jan 2004 (

metal-clads
The Wikipedia page on airships says that there have been TWO metal-clad airships, contrary to what the caption on the picture says.

Actually, it says that it is one of the only ships ever built, not the only. Scourgeofsmallishinsects 14:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The article says "The ZMC-2 was operated with a zero internal pressure". Actually, the shape is maintained by internal pressure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dude6935 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

removed link
I removed the link to http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Lighter_than_air/Airships_in_WWII/LTA10G9.htm. The exact same picture is already in this article and on Wikipedia, and the link to that image is of a lower resolution and quality, making it redundant. PolarisSLBM 02:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Did Duggan think the ZMC-2 was unsafe?
The article now claims that the ZMC-2's first commander, Red Duggan, was reluctant to operate the ship and considered it "unsafe". Is there any evidence that supports this idea? --Rlandmann (talk) 07:57, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, and it is very clearly referenced in the passage. Would you like me to explain how references work? - Ken keisel (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Rlandmann, I've posted on your talk page a clear explanation of how references should be cited at the end of a body of a paragraph. If you have any additional questions please feel free to let me know.- Ken keisel (talk) 20:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it's not clear at all that the information comes from the same source; and I don't think that it would be clear to anybody coming to the text for the first time. The key parts of the guideline to which you're referring are:
 * "which is added close to the material it supports, offering text-source integrity."
 * "so long as it's clear which source supports which part of the text."
 * To me, the text read like Morrow and Fritsche were being cited to support the claim that Duggan died in the Akron crash (a separate idea). However, since you've confirmed that these two ideas come from the same place, I've added a citation to the sentence about Duggan's reluctance, so that readers don't have to guess where this information came from. --Rlandmann (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we should give readers a little credit for being smarter than that. They can (and do) figure out sources without referencing every single sentence. - Ken keisel (talk) 00:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, when context helps them along (for example, in the section about filling the ZMC-2 with helium). But I, for one, couldn't be sure that the separate claims about Duggan came from the same place, so thanks for helping me (and anyone else as dense as me) :) --Rlandmann (talk) 08:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "give readers a little credit" Given some of the deeply stupid fact-tagging I've seen, not to mention flat out ignoring cites, they're getting more than many deserve already, I'm afraid.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  08:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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