Talk:Diabetes in dogs

Banting and Best
Banting and Best caused diabetes in dogs, possibly by clamping an artery that supplied the islets of Langerhans. The method would be in the articles they published which I don't have access to right now. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Splitting from Diabetes in cats and dogs
This is an attempt to separate the Diabetes in cats and dogs page and provide additional information on canine diabetes.

We hope (talk) 04:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Tags
Copied appropriate ones from Diabetes in cats and dogs page.

We hope (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

PDF Files and Wikia Links
The following are pdf files which happen to be hosted at Wikia:

Selecting an Insulin for Treatment of Diabetes Mellitus in Dogs & Cats-OSU Endocrinology Symposium 2006-Nelson-Page 41

Providing Care for Veterinary Diabetic Patients-Canine Diabetes-International Journal of Pharmceutical Compounding

The OSU pdf is not available anywhere else on the internet and a check I just did shows the IJPC one isn't either.

What then is policy for links of this nature?

Also--in fairness, when viewing the identical section at Diabetes in cats, there are 6 Pet Diabetes wiki links which have been allowed to remain for some time as well as an external link to the Pet Diabetes wiki which apparently need removing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_in_cats#Blood_sugar_guidelines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_in_cats#General_information

We hope (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you're right about the PDFs. They may be hosted on Wikia but they're not produced by Wikia. I put them back. The Wikia refs and/or links in the "cats" article should probably be removed though. Equazcion  ( talk ) 22:41, 23 Mar 2010 (UTC)

Wikia Files
I have a lot of similar files (years of ACVIM abstracts and the like) hosted at the Canine Diabetes Wiki as references for that; most to all of what's hosted at Wikia isn't available anywhere else on the internet any more.

Thanks!!

We hope (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Feedback
Prior to a review, I'll offer some general feedback - with the usual caveat that these are my opinions offered in good faith. On the whole the article is informative, well written and appropriately referenced. Marj (talk) 22:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Introduction. A brief description of Diabetes mellitus could be given in the first sentence, rather than having the reader click on a link to get a definition.

Done. We hope (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Diet. Tending towards a 'how to' rather than an encyclopedia entry. Quoted section could be re-written perhaps along the lines of "William Schall, a specialist in canine disease, has recommended ..."

Done. We hope (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Regulation. Again a bit "how to". References to 'your pet' etc are not encyclopedic. WP:YOU Re-write as a summary of published recommendations.

Done. We hope (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Blood sugar guidelines. Here and elsewhere there are short sentences and short paragraphs that could be combined to give the text a better flow.

Think this is improved. We hope (talk) 23:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hypoglycemia. Again re-write as a description of the condition and its treatment, rather than advice to dog owners.

Done. We hope (talk) 09:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Symptoms. As above.

Done. We hope (talk) 09:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Treatment. Review lists to see whether they can be re-written as paragraphs. Re-write as a description of the recommended treatment, rather than advice to follow.

Done. We hope (talk) 09:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Possible cures. Add to the one-sentence paragraph or combine it with the previous one.

Done. We hope (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


 * External links. The second link is not easily understood in its present form.

Done. We hope (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hope this is helpful. Marj (talk) 22:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Something is really wrong with this article, or possibly our science, or maybe it was just made by someone trying to sell commercial dog food and insulin products. The article points out that diabetes has increased 300% in the last 30 years, and then it goes on to promote feeding carbohydrate diets to carnivores. Carnivores did not evolve by eating a balanced diet that looks like the food pyramid. Does nobody see a correlation here? The dietary advice and references here for pets suffering diabetes is totally suspect. There has to be new science out there that debunks these ideas, and throws the "high carb for health" myth onto the fire where it belongs. Please somebody come to the rescue here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughfuve (talk • contribs) 20:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

According to the American Veteran Medical Association, "1 out of every 4 dogs and cats in the western world are obese". Also according to the Merc Veternary manual and the NRC nutrient guidelines for dogs (2006), there are no nutrient requirements of carbs for dogs! They can eat carbs, sure, but they get fat, sick and die young, because they're being slowly poisoned for profit. And yet just about every commercial dog food is buffered with 50%+ carbs. And then there are pages like this wiki that are not even up to date with science that is over 12 years old, and are telling people to do things that are killing their pets, like "feeding them corn syrup". I hope someone more able to edit this page reads it, and helps bring it up to date with current science that supports modern diets that reduce and eliminate obesity and diabetes in our k9 friends. Oh and as to my previous post, yes dogs are omnivores but they pretty much ate mostly meat in the wild, you sure don't see them farming corn and potatoes or foraging for peas, wheat and rice. You don't see them obese and you don't see diabetes increasing 300% in 30 years.

Link Problem
Veterinary Information Network suffered a serious problem last evening; they have had to shut their site down for maintenance as a result. VIN hosts many of the veterinary conference proceeding papers we use as references-(WSAVA is one of them). Veterinary Partner is also a VIN site. VIN outage information As of now, there is no time frame re: when the sites will be back online. We hope (talk) 14:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * VIN sites now back online. We hope (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Internet Archive issues
They are changing from their older database and there are problems when accessing a link at times. Clicking the link "Impatient" on the page that comes up will display the selected page in the meantime. We hope (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The situation with these links is still the same. If this doesn't resolve soon, will take the Archive links from this page and put them through Web Citation.  (Worked with a troublesome Archive ref that would not come up with an "Impatient" link.) We hope (talk) 19:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Organization
In my opinion this should be organized along the same lines as articles for human diseases per WP:MEDMOS. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. Rather than take up anyone's time, I will withdraw the GA nomination while the article has a reorganization. We hope (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

A1c (Glycohemoglobin) testing
At this point, this is not a reality for veterinary care. The current testing methods in addition to home blood glucose monitoring are GHb and fructosamine tests. American Animal Hospital Association Diabetes Management Guidelines for Dogs and Catsrecommends home blood glucose testing, blood glucose curves, fructosamine and GHb. We hope (talk) 15:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Glucose markers in healthy and diabetic bitches in different stages of the oestral cycle Malin Mared, Sveriges lantbruksuniversitet (Upsala, Sweden), 2010.
 * Page 20: "The evaluation of HbA1c measurements for canine samples in this study came to the conclusion that if to be used further in veterinary medicine, HbA1c measurement must be improved and standardized, since today, there are too many possible sources of errors which will prevent the method from yielding meaningful results."

Ivermectin links
The medication is not used in treating diabetes; we have an IP user who added and re-added URLs for it. I've removed them twice. We hope (talk) 15:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Do Dogs Get Only 1 Kind of Diabetes of 2? Does Article Contradict Itself?
First article declares:
 * "Dogs can have insulin-dependent, or Type 1, diabetes; research finds no Type 2 diabetes in dogs."

But in a later paragraph is speaks about Insulin resistant diabetes. Isn't that type 2? Does the article virtually contradict itself? (PeacePeace (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC))
 * I've reworded the paragraph. It no longer implies that dogs get type 2 diabetes. DferDaisy (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

something is wrong with the article
Hey editors: The article Diabetes in dogs claims that research shows no type 2 diabetes in dogs. I wanna dispute that, 'cause that statement is questionable, dubious and may not be true. There may be some dogs with type 2, only not as many as with type 1. This article and its sources should be rechecked; the sources may be unreliable and dubious.

Angela Maureen (talk) 02:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Something wrong?
Type 1 is the most common form of diabetes and affects approximately 0.34% of dogs.[8]

The above sentence came from the article. If type 1 is most common, I don’t think it would account for 0.34%. I think there is an error here with a decimal point or another error. 2601:14B:280:F630:BCE6:AD32:8057:419E (talk) 23:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)