Talk:Diego Arria

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Found this as a stub by a random article search and got researching. I am concerned at the lack of Biographic details such as date of birth etc. A photo would be nice too. There is little on his personal life, philosophy or beliefs on the web. Cosnahang 09:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Self-bio?
This seems like an autobiographical, propagandistic article. --Juanco (talk) 20:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It still does. This should be corrected. 94.253.226.148 (talk) 06:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Fact-checking needed
I copied the infobox info from the Spanish article, but without any fact checking, and there are errors in it (such as contradictory dates; Rd232 has corrected just one). On line there are reliable sources, albeit in Spanish, that can be consulted. Also his time as governor, and who appointed him (the president) is easily sourced. Attarparn (talk) 17:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you've found such sources, please at least provide them here on the talk page, if you don't have time to use them to improve the article. Thanks. Rd232 talk 17:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I just put it in, and as time permits I aim to keep improving it. Attarparn (talk) 18:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Image
The problem with the use of the Commons image File:HaciendaLaCarolina.jpg is that it is being used to make a factual claim, and the source for the image (a blog) isn't reliable. The matter could rest there, except after I initially removed it, an OTRS ticket materialised on Commons. I don't know to what extent this can be accepted as reliable verification, rather than mere permission for use of the image. (Apart from anything else, the most it could verify is what Arria claims, unless some independent source can verify the date and subject [cows is self-evident :) La Carolina is not].) I posted at WP:BLPN and have not so far got an answer, but until this is resolved, the image should not be used. Rd232 talk 11:16, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * see also Commons OTRS question. Rd232 talk 22:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The OTRS question having obviously being resolved by now I will re-insert the photograph. I also take issue with the statement by user Rd232 that my blog is not reliable. I take that as a personal insult, an implication that I am a liar. Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 15:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The OTRS ticket has been resolved in a manner that indicates the image cannot be used in a Wikipedia article in any way that makes a factual claim; and I can't see how any use of it can avoid doing that. I'm sorry you take the reliability issue as an insult, but that just shows you don't understand Wikipedia policy on reliable sourcing (which is OK, it can be tricky, and I appreciate in a situation where you're the source it's particularly tricky to wrap your head around without feeling insulted). The best thing I can suggest is that you go to WP:RSN and post a question there. You won't get a different answer, but hopefully it will explain things better. Rd232 talk 17:26, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You are factually incorrect, I am not the source. You are also being patently disingenuous, since you, just like I, Mr. Smith, and anybody else, can edit the description on Wikimedia commons. But rather than doing that, you insist on not using the photo here. Why? Are you ignorant? Not likely, since you are an admin here. So why? I can only see one credible explanation, and that is that you are politically biased and are using Wikipedia for you partisan political purposes. Have a nice day. Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 13:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You uploaded the image, so you're the source as regards Wikimedia Commons (even if you're not the ultimate source). And your understanding of the concept of reliable sourcing seems, if anything, to be going backwards, whilst you reject the dispute resolution I suggested to you and make personal attacks instead. Anyway, I've posted at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. Rd232 talk 15:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I am the source according to Wikimedia Commons, but take a good long look at the URL above this text and you will discover that you are reading at en.wikipedia.org and not commons.wikimedia.org - this is a different site, and the WP:RSN link you threw in is irrelevant, since the two sites use the word "source" in two distinct meanings. Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 18:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * When using images from Commons on English Wikipedia, English Wikipedia rules apply. Rd232 talk 07:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Order of Offices
The order of offices shall be the most recent first, and that is how I entered it, but User:Rd232 went and turned it upside down. Please restore it to the correct order. See Template:Infobox_Officeholder/example. Dr Ulf Erlingsson (talk) 18:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh, I've always done it in chronological order, it made sense to me that way as an overview. If you want to reverse it back, I won't object. Rd232 talk 07:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

kivu report
in the "assassination accusations", undue weight (about a third of the paragraph's content) is given to report by a company--hired by burelli--allegedly exonerating him of the government's charges (this bears only partial relevance to Diego Arria, as not all the emails were sent through Google, and the emails themselves were not the extent of the evidence presented). these are charges which i could have elaborated in depth but for the sake of brevity and npov did not. i expect the same treatment be given for opposing views. however, this is not the case with many Venezuelan articles. little effort is made to elaborate the government's statements, but the anti-government point of view is given much greater care and attention. be careful of this. back to this "accussations" section, the last line "and [Kivu] concluded, along with other analysts, that the emails shown in the report were fabricated or manipulated by the Venezuelan government" is factually incorrect (even if this was how WSJ reported it). you can read the Kivu report here--it does not use such strong language. its actual conclusion is somewhere along the lines of 'it is impossible to verify the authenticity of the emails without further evidence from the venezuelan government'. but again, undue weight is being given to this report, which bears only partial relevance for Diego Arria.--Riothero (talk) 06:00, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The emails were a large part of the Venezuelan government's assassination report which Arria was allegedly involved in according the the Ven. Gov..-- Zfigueroa  ( talk  ) 16:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Could you please address my concerns about the inaccuracy of the report's description?--Riothero (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Could you show more of what the Venezuelan government provided? According to multiple reliable sources, the only thing that was presented by them were emails from Burelli to Arria and others that were allegedly forged. Also, it says in the Kivu report link you provided that "The mock ups show so many indications of user manipulation that they are clearly not copies of the original emails, edited for presentation in the Venezuelan Government Report. This level of user manipulation is more consistent with files that have been constructed from scratch". So, reading that, the sources paraphrased what was in the Kivu report for their own news. So the "mock ups" or images of emails presented by the Ven. Gov. report are "manipulated" or changed for the "presentation in the Venezuelan Government Report" according to Kivu. Also, Kivu says that the "level of user manipulation" meaning the amount of evidence of changes seen by Kivu "more consistent with files that have been constructed from scratch" meaning that what was presented looked more like they were constructed or "forged". -- Zfigueroa  ( talk  ) 21:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * i am OK with "[Kivu found] many indications of user manipulation" (because that's actually what's written in the Kivu report) but the last clause, as you have written it, does not come from the report and should be removed.--Riothero (talk) 23:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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New Info
Arria is now calling for Maduro to be brought before the hague, could someone please add this? source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yMsSADgyw (a minute and a half long clip if anyone wants to confirm) 46.116.255.125 (talk) 03:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC)