Talk:Disappearance of Ben McDaniel

A question about wording
In the fourth paragraph in the section Disappearance of Ben McDaniel is the following sentence:


 * Most cave divers place their extra air tanks, which they need for decompression, at points along their route so they can follow it out, not at the entrance to the cave.

I've highlighted the pronoun "it" in bold. I would have thought that the pronoun should be "them" – "so they can follow them out" – where "them" refers to the "extra air tanks" placed along their route. Right now, with the singular "it", it sounds like it means, "so they can follow the route out. Does that makes sense you you? Follow the route? If that is what was meant, it would be better worded as "so they can find their way out". Corinne (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Thanks for looking and posing the question here. If i haven't made the edit before you come back, by all means do so. Daniel Case (talk) 01:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

John Bennett
I feel like the Bennett link is a little misleading. Bennett was lost at sea, and is far from the first (or even first notable) diver for that to occur to. His death also is not an open question. I'd suggest deleting the link - in any case, it presumably should be within the other linked article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:246E:A129:9227:E4FF:FEF9:3A1C (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ The Bennett article is kind of short on information; I didn't know if it fit or not. Thanks. Daniel Case (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Rating assessment against B-class criteria

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Objectivity
Current: While he was initially believed to have drowned on that dive, and his parents still strongly believe his body is in an inaccessible reach of the extensive cave system, no trace of him has ever been found.[2][3] Despite this, the state of Florida issued his family a death certificate in 2013.[4]

Proposed: Although no trace of him has been found, he is believed to have drowned on that dive. His parents believe his body is in an inaccessible section of the extensive cave system. Regardless, the state of Florida issued his family a death certificate in 2013.[2][3][4]

Paul McDaniel's death
Paul McDaniel's untimely death was not caused by a stroke, but by "multiple strokes following an opioid overdose," as was originally reported. The article excludes any mention of Paul's opioid use, possibly because the family omitted any potentially embarrassing information when discussing their son's death to the media. I believe it should be included. Dreamanderson (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, apparently Heinerth says that and shows the death certificate online in the documentary she made with her husband. If you or someone else have seen it and can provide enough information for a cite (see cite AV media), we can put that in (I haven't seen it, though of course I'd love to). Daniel Case (talk) 02:24, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , okay, I found and watched the documentary and have made preliminary handwritten notes, with the times that each "event"/fact is presented. I've never referenced AV media. "Paul's death" information begins @1:16:55...autopsy results @1:17:27. Do I need to be this exact, or may I state 1:16:00 or 1:17:00? I want to do the right thing, in referencing. Seems best to start a bit before the ref, versus after. What do you advise?
 * In addition to the autopsy... Of interest there are comments, made by Capt. Harry Hamilton, about the placement of the tanks, that are more specific than the print ref. I would like to include this information. And more...  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  06:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition to the autopsy... Of interest there are comments, made by Capt. Harry Hamilton, about the placement of the tanks, that are more specific than the print ref. I would like to include this information. And more...  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect!  06:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Storing a ref
I am trying to consolidate some repeated refs. Storing this here for ease of access, while I work on the problem. Ben McDaniel #comment-39523....

Found a new source, I think. Storing here: Experts Don't Believe Missing Diver is Actually in Cave at Vortex Springs? After hundreds of man-hours searching the cave, some are beginning to doubt McDaniel's body is inside. Experts cave divers say the evidence just isn't adding up. Posted: 10:26 PM Sep 13, 2010 Reporter: Meagan O'Halloran

I have some of Shelby McDaniel's comments on this article in there. Daniel Case (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , yes, I *now* realize that they were all separate refs!! (Sorry) I have noted the specific cmt number so it reads "comment #xxx LeisurePro story" . Hope that's okay, to be more specific. Planning to follow up on my new source, above, but I am slow....  Tribe of Tiger  Let's Purrfect!  05:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)