Talk:Dita Von Teese/Archive 1

Model Measurements
She's a model so... Shouldn't her measurements be given? I mean, like with all models -someone- 02:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yes and no. She's not strictly a model, so the model infobox would probably be inappropriate. However, I can't see any reason why her measurements shouldn't be in the article. Under the Fetish & Glamor Modeling section, her waist measurement, height and weight are given, so I'm sure her bust & hip sizes can be put in there too. Suzarella (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Marital status
The Marilyn Manson page says they're married. An anonymous user has just changed "wife" to "girlfriend" on this page. Are they married or not? RickK

hello RickK. They are not married. I have regular contact with longtime Manson fans and they'd have heard by now if it had happened. I know that in some countries - such as Scotland - people who live together for so many years can become 'common law' spouses but I don't think that that situation exists in America.

yes they are married. they have been married for quite some time now. get with the times people. and common law marraiges do exist in america.

I'm also a life-long Manson fan and i'm completely under the impression that they are married. So on what do you base your statement that they aren't?Weili 11:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

They are married. Wedding Pictures appeared in May's Vogue. 86.128.229.181 00:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Divorced in 2007 Arthur 23:00, 10 November 2007

They were married.Now divorced.

Rescued from Bunny luv
This is about to be deleted from Bunny luv, contributed by User:66.81.192.248 02:19, 22 Jul 2004

--Dittaeva 14:18, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It seems to have lots of info on Dita, so I'm inlcuding it here for interested contributors to use:

Born in a small town in Michigan and raised in a historic antique-filled home, Dita Von Teese's longtime fascination with 1940s cinema and classic retro style has made her name and image synonymous with classic vintage glamour. As a very young girl, Dita became enchanted by the films and stars of Hollywood's Golden Age and spent her childhood dreaming of the high pastiche elegance of 1940s glamour and it's stars like Hedy Lamarr, Rita Hayworth and Betty Grable. It's no wonder that her childhood fondness for the beauty of yesteryear led her to be revered as not only the most celebrated vintage pinup model and burlesque star, but as one of Hollywood's most glamorous women.

At age twelve, she moved out west from Michigan to Orange County, California with her parents and two sisters. Her teen years were spent continuing the classical ballet training she has studied since the age of four, and at age thirteen, she danced as a soloist with a local ballet company. She idolized Cyd Charisse, a well known film star during the 1950s who was famous for using her classical ballet training for risqué dance numbers, epitomizing the classic femme fatale...an image Dita longed to grow up to be. For Dita, the appeal of mid nineteenth century glamour carried on into her adulthood, and she began collecting vintage clothes from the 1920s through the 1950s and learned about the details of dressing vintage from head to toe. She soon discovered that not only were women impeccably dressed, but that the underpinnings of the era were divine! In fact, her interest in elegant lingerie led her to pursue her first job at age 15 at a luxury lingerie boutique where she went on to become not only an excellent salesperson, but the shop's buyer of high end lingerie.(Not to mention collector!)

In college, she studied historic costuming and had aspirations to work as a stylist for period films, but eventually found a niche for her love of vintage elegance as a model specializing in cheesecake. Her love of feminine finery, particularly of classic seamed stockings and garters soon inspired her to acquire the ultimate lingerie piece….a Victorian corset! Having also admired the look of corsets in the films and photos set in the 1800s, she would have no idea at that time that her desire to tight-lace at age eighteen would lead her to a fetish boutique specializing in this type of exotic apparel. It was during one of her many visits to this fetish shop when she first saw an image of Bettie Page by famed artist Olivia. In 1991, Dita set out to recreate some of Bettie's intriguing images in an effort to bring back nostalgic elegance to the pages of fetish magazines. Since then, Ms. Von Teese has often been compared to Bettie not only for her spirit and for her enduring image, but as the premiere fetish supermodel with countless magazine covers and as one of artist Olivia's favorite art muses. Her career as a glamour model skyrocketed, and it wasn't long before she gained worldwide mainstream press for popularizing retro style and vintage eroticism.

Dita began one of the very first model websites ever created on the internet, and as the first retro styled pinup on the web, her site contains an extraordinary collection of over 10,000 impeccably self-styled photographs. Some of the best in the business have photographed her, including Ellen Von Unwerth, Dewey Nicks, Juergen Teller, P.R Brown, Rankin, Lionel Deluy, Sean McCall, Perou, Christophe Mourthe, Pierre et Gilles and famed artist Gottfried Helnwein. Dita has most recently been seen in major pictorials and on covers for magazines such as Maxim's Blender, GQ, Arena, The Face, Flaunt, The London Sunday Times, Women's Wear Daily, Esquire, Jane, Elle and Vogue. Known for both her onstage elegance and off, her personal style has gained much attention in the pages of fashion and celebrity magazines

Dita's career in burlesque began in 1993 as she made a hobby of collecting men's magazines from the 1930s and 40s. In these magazines, there were not only cheesecake photographs of her favorite sex goddesses, but also pages and pages of the burlesque dancers from the era. Dita first began performing her tribute to Sally Rand's feather fan dance at one of the biggest fetish events in the US in 1993, and in 1996, she tipped her hat to striptease icon Lili St Cyr by taking a champagne bath in a crystal-clear glass bathtub. Her unsurpassed showmanship earned her the spotlight as the headlining performer at all three years of Teaseorama, the most highly publicized and attended showcase of the burlesque revival and she has since toured the United States and Europe as a solo performer. In 2002, Dita was singled out with rave reviews from Variety and The Los Angeles Times for her "girl in the glass" solo performances with Carmen Electra's Pussycat Dolls, and the film Charlie's Angels II features a nightclub scene that pays tribute and gives acknowledgment to Dita's trademark act. During a run of performances in Hollywood, Dita caught Hugh Hefner's eye and put her on the cover of Playboy's coveted Holiday Gala issue showing off her astonishing sixteen and half inch corseted wasp-waist and a featuring a fabulously luxurious ten page pictorial of her signature 40's style.

Whether she is lounging on her sparkling crescent moon, riding a brilliant rhinestone-encrusted carousel horse, bathing in a decadent jeweled clawfoot bathtub, or spinning around in a giant filigree sparkling heart, fans of the burlesque resurgence delight at the sophisticated and lavish spectacles that reflect her devotion to details and dedication to the time honored tradition of classic striptease. Dita regularly performs at The Playboy Mansion's special events, and toured the country for their 50th Anniversary tour. She regularly travels worldwide, and has captivated audiences at some of the most exclusive affairs on the planet for clients such as Louis Vuitton, In Style Magazine, Spike TV, Maxim Magazine, MTV, and at the televised New Years Eve and wedding party for The Osbournes. In Fall 2003, she made news with her risqué burlesque performances for the fashion set while draped in priceless jewels for a performance at London fashion week's most exclusive party for Garrard Diamonds, the British Crown Jewelers.

Aside from continuing to make personal appearances worldwide and creating images for her website, Dita spends her free time collecting vintage couture hats, art deco era clothing and rare antique books about the history of burlesque and her favorite stars. She drives a restored original 1939 Chrysler New Yorker and is an accomplished ballet, swing and argentine tango dancer. She spends her time off from traveling to relax at home in Hollywood with her fiancé Marilyn Manson, their two Devonshire Rex cats Lily and Aleister, and two dachshunds Greta and Eva.

The year 2004 brings many new ventures for Dita. The Erotic Museum on Hollywood Boulevard currently features a special exhibit of Dita's stage costumes and her famous pink ostrich feather fans. Her first book "Burlesque and The Art of the Teese" published by Harpers Collins is due out November 2004, and the second, a vintage style cookbook will be released in January 2005. Also available are her signature brand of authentic 1940's seamed stockings and a line of couture stiletto shoes and a cosmetics are to be launched late 2004.

This is amazing stuff, I really think it should be added to the page, don't you guys agree? so shall i go ahead and add it?Weili 12:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

There really is some fantastic information buried around in there! Do try and work some of it in. A vintage cookbook? I hadn't even heard about that! The information would have to be rephrased though - it's taken directly from the prelude to a Dita interview at. Suzarella 11:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Von / von
It should be Dita von Teese. The capital V on the Homepage is just in the title. The text's von is small. -- Cherubino 18:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Von Teese's own web site uses the capital consistently, not just in the title, as do the other two sites in the External links, so I've changed it to "Von" throughout this article. Charivari 04:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a pseudonym,so she could write it however she'd want to, but the grammatically correct German form would definitely be "von". I'd suggest to look at books/press releases and other "official" stuff.87.78.108.203 18:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course the correct German form would be "von", but that's irrelevant. Where the person expresses a preference in the way their name is written, that overrides everything else. In this case, therefore, it can only be "Von". Charivari 02:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Except if you are k.d. lang —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.211.104 (talk) 03:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

image
I would love to find a place to work this in. thumb Chris 02:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Would be lovely, but there is the copyright issue. Dita owns the rights to most of her images. And if she doesn't, then the photographer will. I'm not sure if it can be classified as fair use. Suzarella 11:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Citations, citations, citations
with both breasts and her beauty mark being artificial. It would seem pretty odd if just one of her breasts was artificial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.9.46.242 (talk) 05:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Chaps, can we be careful about using weasel words, even in a positive fashion. Our high opinion of Dita does not constitute a reference source, and re-arranging the contents of www.dita.net slightly without verification isn't particularly convincing either. All of those parts lifted from Dita's website should, I suggest, be marked as such. -- Rogerborg 08:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of information on the page, contributed by a lot of users, so I'm having trouble unpicking what you take issue with. Let me know what you think needs citations and I'd be glad to try and rectify it. Suzarella 21:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * She was classically trained as a ballet dancer from an early age, and danced solo at age thirteen for a local ballet company. Though she originally wanted to be a ballerina, Von Teese states that "By 15 I was as good as I’d ever be".[2] She was later to incorporate this element into her burlesque shows, where she frequently goes en pointe.


 * The above is a perfect example. She had a few ballet lessons from the sounds of it, and from the looks of her performances on stage. En pointe does not a prima ballerina make. In fact the lack of liquid or defined movement on stage leads me to believe that there is very little, if any, classical training present, or at least exhibited.


 * If no citations appear for this one, we might change it to 'She claims to have had at least two years of ballet lessons, which she fervently incorporates into her burlesque shows where she frequently goes en pointe.' .. I think that addresses the fact that 'from an early age' doesn't equate to or encapsulate 13 years old to 15 years old. Jachin 07:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've looked and can't find a definite age at which she started, but a quick google search pulls up interviews with Vogue and the Telegraph, along with numerous other, perhaos less reliable sources, where she talks about spending her childhood practising ballet.

Whether or not you think Dita is a good ballet dancer is surely a matter of opinion? The article only says that she's received some training as a child (If she appeared as a solo dancer at 13 for a local company, she would've been dancing for some years before that at least). Your suggested edit seems to still be as inaccurate as the 'early age' part, which, I agree, we should find an alternative to. Additionally, I don't like your "She claims". Slightly NPOV, as it does suggest that you clearly don't believe she has had much in the way of training. Jacob1453 02:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I recall her stating on an interview with, I think, the Discovery Channel, that she began dancing at age 4. The video is on Youtube, but, obviously, this cannot be referenced unless someone can find a transcript.

Playboy Special Editions
This section has been here for a long time, and I never really saw the point of it. I think I'll remove it, unless anyone thinks it's important to keep? Suzarella 18:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed it. I'll keep it archived here in case anyone decides they want it back.
 * Appearances in Playboy Special Editions


 * Playboy's Lingerie Model Search February 1997.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 58 November 1997 (Mizuno, pages 8-9).
 * Playboy's Real Sex February 1998.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 62 July 1998 (Mizuno, pages 14-15).
 * Playboy's Body Language October 1998.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 64 November 1998 (pages 84-85).
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 66 March 1999.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 67 May 1999 - Mizuno (pages 28-29).
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 69 September 1999.
 * Playboy's Girlfriends September 1999 (pages 76-81).
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 70 November 1999.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 72 March 2000.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 74 July 2000 (pages 68-69).
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 75 September 2000.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 78 March 2001.
 * Playboy's Book of Lingerie Vol. 84 March 2002.
 * Playboy's Sexy 100 February 2003.

The "Queen of Burlesque"
Just trying to defend the use of the 'queen of burlesque' quote in the opening paragraphs. The introduction needed extending and, as a line that is frequently used by mainstream publications is a good way to introduce Von Teese to a lay-person, which is the purpose of Wikipedia. Saying that she is referred to by the media as such isn't the same as saying it is a commonly held opinion in the Burlesque community. Perhaps we should change it to something like "Often referred to, in mainstream media, as "the Queen of Burlesque"? Jacob1453 14:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

...Age?
why isn't her birthday listed? 75.72.221.172 (talk) 02:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good question... I was about to ask exactly the same thing. David Bailey (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Her website
Is it really true that her website was created in 1992? I think that's a little bit early. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.180.110.219 (talk) 12:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it's very early. But that's when Von Teese claims it was set up, and this claim has been printed in numerous reputable publications (eg. ). So, unless we can find concrete evidence that this is not the case, we're just going to have to go with the sources. Suzarella 19:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * WHOIS domain registraion data for dita.net shows that the domain name was registered on 1997-08-29. A launch date of 1992 seems very unlikely. --Urban 16:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There weren't too many web sites in 1992 that had their own domain. Her site back then, if it existed, would almost certainly have taken a form like &lt;http://www.somehost.com/~dita&gt; or &lt;http://www.somehost.com/sites/dita/&gt; and only later moved to dita.net. The whois data is not indicative of when the site was created.&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  19:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the date again. Although the source has it listed, Other authoritative sources on the history of the internet preclude such a conclusion. The first really available browser to the public was Mosaic in 1993. The only GUI browser available in 1992 was Viola, which didn't support graphics at the time. Note that the source given in the article explicitly mentions having a graphic. Chalk it up to unclear memory about specific dates from 15+ years ago. For more info take a look at http://www.w3.org/History.html and other. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2009 (UTC) She is also married to Mohamed. They have sex every night.

Absinthe
On Manson's 32nd birthday, in 2001, she arrived with a bottle of absinthe, and they became a couple.

— Cause and effect? Sca (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Early drug abuse revelations?
I am a big Dita fan, but I noticed that there are numerous articles on the Internet that claim to quote Dita as stating that the primary reason she got breast implants was because of drug use during her teenage years. If this is true, it seems like it is worth mentioning as part of a biography, but it doesn't appear to be mentioned anywhere in the Wikipedia article.

The quotes are mentioned in several different sites and blogs, but I can't find the true primary source (the most common ones are here and here). The full quote states that she got breast implants at the age of 21 because her weight had dropped due to drug use during her teenage years, and although she gave up drugs and returned to a healthy weight her "breasts never recovered." This all seems like relevant information, even though it's unflattering, unless it has been debunked. Any thoughts? (99.141.124.40 (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC))