Talk:Doug Ford

Controversial decision on the private colleges
I suggest including the section below in the main text. This is a neutral posting that reflects the current situation with colleges in Ontario as many private colleges will collapse soon after the restriction imposed on the private education business. I am not a businessman and I do not work in a college.

On March 27, 2024, the Government of Ontario, led by Doug Ford, made an unexpected decision that may have a huge negative impact on the entire educational system of the province leading to the bankruptcy of many private colleges. It was announced that the private colleges will not receive any international study permits as 96% of spots will be allocated to public colleges and universities while the remaining 4% of international students may be allowed to study in some private universities and language schools. The decision to eliminate a "low-quality education" in the Province of Ontario is controversial as a "low-quality education" cannot be generalized to all private colleges of Ontario. Moreover, so-called "low-quality education" allegedly practiced by private colleges implies complete discrimination against domestic students because of the (allegedly) lower standards of education. The real issue that led to such a controversial decision is the conflict of interests between public and private colleges. This decision leads to a monopolization of the educational system and complete predomination of the public colleges. Nomonopolyofeducation (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It has nothing to do with quality of education. Unfortunately, Canada is the country where the most educated and talented people with MSc and PhD degrees cannot find jobs according to their skills and qualifications. So, any private college in Canada can easily find and hire highly qualified specialists with MSc and PhD degrees for teaching positions. Therefore, poor quality of education is just an excuse. What we actually see is that the large business of public colleges expels the small business of private colleges. Observateur Canadien (talk) 00:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The shares in all public or community colleges of Canada largely belong to the big private businesses that, of course, may not be interested in competing with small private colleges. When tons of dollars are involved the scale of business becomes too attractive for influential tycoons as millions of international students entering Canada must pay their very expensive tuition fees. This is the only sound answer, which explains the preplanned collapse of many private colleges in Ontario. It was a corporate lobbying that convinced the Ontario Government to exclude private career colleges from the business. The small private colleges are outsiders now and this monopolization is idiomatically saying "riding the gravy train" for the richest private shareholders of the public colleges. Snowflake Enneagram (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Public colleges are by definition, owned publicly, by governments, recognized by the Crown, not corporate entities. Alaney2k (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is incorrect. Public colleges and universities in Canada are owned by the Government and by public entities. And this decision is a big problem known as a CONFLICT OF INTEREST! Nobody wants to share big money with smaller competitors and the easiest way to remove the competitors is to put private colleges out of business. Very far away. Snowflake Enneagram (talk) 19:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Neutral tone means the a reader cannot tell what position the writer takes on a topic. You need to re-write the suggested text in order to reflect that. Also, you need a reliable source that supports the text. TFD (talk) 17:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a platform for political advocacy. Please also see Righting great wrongs. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The suggested section is neutral and not used as a platform for political advocacy. It only states the negative impacts to the educational system of Ontario that are cased by this decision. Nomonopolyofeducation (talk) 18:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The section I proposed is neutral and it does not criticize Doug Ford's government. It only states the real facts and issues in the educational system of Ontario that are caused by this decision. As far as a reliable source is concerned, this article supports the proposed section:
 * "New Ontario rules to deny private colleges international students will wipe out their partnerships, killing jobs and ending a lucrative source of income for public colleges, experts and advocates say.
 * They're going to have to make some very difficult financial decisions. They’re going to have to do some restructuring. There are large administrative questions — where that lands is not going to be a good place,” said University of Toronto education Prof. Glen Jones, an expert in post-secondary policy."
 * As we know, any kind of monopolization is illegal in USA and Canada. This decision certainly creates a monopolization of the educational system of Ontario by public colleges and we should say something about it. Nomonopolyofeducation (talk) 18:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I think there is a basic misunderstanding here of what Wikipedia is and is not. Speculation is out, opinion is out. It's not a place for any kind of advocacy - commercial, political, any. It's not the news, but events are covered. An article about private education in Ontario could include information about quotas and changes in immigration policy. It could include noting opposition to changes, as long as it is attributed to a specific person or media outlet that is secondary to the cause. That's about the only place it -could- be appropriate to discuss views on a topic that has politics attached. Alaney2k (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The suggested section is not speculative. It does not advocate Doug Ford's decision and it does not advocate the private colleges. An article or a small section in Wikipedia about private education in Ontario could include not only information about quotas and changes in immigration policy but also any topic related to education. Wikipedia is media without restrictions and meaningless directives like what is allowed and what is not allowed. The section proposed above is neutral and appropriate. Snowflake Enneagram (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest trying to add such content to Education in Ontario, which has already has some content about the student visa caps... but it could be fleshed out more. There isn't a really a direct connection to this and Doug Ford as far as I can tell, so I don't think it'd be relevant to add such content to this article. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 20:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, Wikipedia does actually have restrictions on what is and is not allowed. I realize that these things aren't necessarily immediately obvious,, but feel free to ask me questions in the future if you're confused. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 20:42, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Possible content gaps
I don't see anything about the political scandals surrounding ServiceOntario and Ontario Science Centre/Ontario Place. I think content could easily be written to cover this but I'm not sure where it would fit best. Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 20:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)