Talk:Drowned World Tour

The live rendition of Lo que siente la mujer
It's clear that the live rendition of Lo que siente la mujer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axlNwcRga7Q) does not use the original instrumental (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdULo9N7A0Y). Instead the instrumental used is mostly based on the Calderone & Quayle Dark Side Mix of What it feels like for a girl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_K54-27qFY). And yet, for some reason, someone keeps deleting this info whenever I add it. Why?
 * YouTube is not a reliable source unless it is uploaded by the official artist's account. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The link I posted is literally from Madonna's official account. But still you can check the "What it feels like for a girl" single on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/intl-pt/track/6vyD1F1OTTo85aVMP6CGBt?si=619788f4561e40b4). Phastolph (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Spotify is not a reliable source per WP:NOTRSMUSIC. I did check the YouTube link, and that is not the official account, but a topic account used by the company who uploads their music. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? The Youtube account is verified and explicitly states that it's official. Phastolph (talk) 20:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Plus, Spotify may not be officially listed, but, if an artist's official profile posts a remix under a certain name, it's obvious that that's the name of the remix. I'm norry, but it's obvious that the live rendition was based on the Calderone & Quayle Dark Side Mix. Phastolph (talk) 20:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There are already sources for the setlist, and we need to stick to the sources provided. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * And the artist's Youtube channel qualifies as such. Phastolph (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This is Madonna's channel. So I don't get why you're so adamant that it shouldn't be taken into account. Phastolph (talk) 20:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Then you need to open a discussion regarding these sources you're providing at WP:RSN. They should be able to check and verify if they can be used. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

In support of Bedtime Stories?
Saying that the DWT was partially in support of Bedtime Stories is a bit of a stretch. Bedtime Stories was released a whopping 7 years before the tour, and on top of that, Madonna only performed 2 songs from that album (Secret & Human Nature). This PALES in comparison to the amount of songs she performed from Ray of Light (7) and Music (8, not counting Lo Que Siente La Mujer). I think we should reconsider whether or not to keep that part of the article in place. 70.152.83.143 (talk) 03:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think in a way the tour DOES support "Bedtime Stories". Sure she didnt include the whole album, but she included at least 2 songs. Therefore in a way the tour does support "Bedtime Stories". Take for example the "Who's That Girl" Tour, In the article it says the tour supported the "True Blue" album and the "Who's That Girl" soundtrack, but if we check the setlist out, we'll see that only 3 songs from "Who's That Girl" were included only 3 (Who's That Girl, The Look of love and Causing a commotion, the name does not count.) While from "True Blue" there were 7 songs. So wouldnt that make the WTG tour in support only of "True Blue"? Its the same thing here.


 * The above comment was made by User:ElPilotoDi

Response to the above comment
Before you edit pages please check the facts before you do so.
 * A tour which was launched in 2001 could not possibly support an album from 1994. Although it included 2 songs from Bedtime Stories (1994), it does not mean it supports it.
 * "Support" is in reference to launching a tour to sell more records of a recent album and to generate publicity for said recent album or albums.
 * Your facts about the Who's That Girl World Tour are quite unfounded: Madonna only contributed 4 tracks to the Who's That Girl (Soundtrack) so she included only 3 songs on this tour, here 1986 album True Blue is represented on this tour with 7 songs. These albums were released in 1986 & 1987 so this tour indeed supports them and this is represented in the setlist.
 * I hope this clears this matter up, so please stop edit warring as you could be blocked. Thanks  J W A D  talk 20:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right Jwad. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 11:29, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Another source
Check out this story which names the main audio mix guy, Dave Kob. http://mixonline.com/livesound/tours/audio_madonnas_drowned_world/. Some names of specific equipment, including Madonna's mic. Binksternet (talk) 20:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * This other article talks about how Madonna switched to in-ear monitors on this tour. Binksternet (talk) 20:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Another source talking about the lighting set up. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat ] 13:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Debate: Supporting Ray of Light
Looking back, there seems to be a little confusion over whether this tour supported Music, Ray of Light or both. In fact, it has been the main factor of many edit reverts with this article. Common sense and the media agrees that this tour supported Music. However, a few (and it is literally a few) Wikipedia editors feel the album support both. However, these editors cannot support their claim with any logical explanation (meaning source) besides their fan devotion to the artist or fan page gossip. This section is meant to spark a debate and solve this argument once and for all. Please provide your feedback to this discussion along with tangible proof either way. Itsbydesign (talk) 08:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No question, the tour supported both albums. Since you are hell-bent on sources:
 * America in the 2000s By Marlene Targ Brill: The 2001 world tour supporting her last two studio albums was a success...
 * Billboard - Dec 5, 1998 - Page 87: Madonna has decided not to tour in support of the album until the spring at the earliest. The delay is due to scheduling conflicts with the several films to which she is already committed. Rumors of a tour, which would be her first ....
 * Madonna's drowned worlds: new approaches to her cultural by Santiago Fouz-Hernández, Freya Jarman-Ivens: There was a dual thrust for music acumen, which Madonna solidied by promoting Ray of Light and Music in her Drowned World Tour...
 * The great rock discography by Martin Charles Strong: Drowned World Tour, supporting her madgesty's seventh and eight studio albums.
 * Time: Volume 158, Issues 1-8 Briton Hadden, Henry Robinson Luce: music fans would still kilt to catch "Madge," (as she's called by her Guy) during the homeland leg of her Drowned World tour, where major performances will be for promoting her last two studio albums.
 * Getting under the skin: the body and media theory by Bernadette Wegenstein: For instance, Madonna performs the exact image of her own recording (to be seen on screen at the same time as in concert) in her 2001 HBO show "Drowned World Tour," including the "ass-kicking -cyber-queen-performance". She incorporated mostly songs from her last two albums and concentrated on promoting them.
 * Madonna: An Intimate Biography by J. Randy Taraborrelli: The setlist was from her most recent album Music and the 98 success Ray of Light, which was yet to be promoted.
 * Madonna: Like an Icon by Lucy O'Brien: Plans unfolded for the massive Drowned World Tour, promoting Ray of Light and Music, with two songs from Bedtime Stories, and two classics.
 * I don't need to say more do I? — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No link that's verifiable thus your work is nill. No one is gonna run around trying to find something that may not exist. So no, the tour support one album. Itsbydesign (talk) 05:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am warning you, if you remove it again in presence of strong reliable sources, I will report you. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 09:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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Billboard Boxscore
Hello. First of all, sorry for my English. I write this new section to note that Billboard Boxscore references lead to the main page of Billboard.biz. I found information about the box office and the sale of concert tickets in the Billboard links in Google Books. However, I could not find any information about the gross revenue of the concerts in Spain, Italy and Germany. Will there be any page that has the data of those three countries? Again, sorry for my English and I hope my message has been understood. Thank you. MadonnaFan (talk) 03:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC) PS: I can put the Billboard links here if you wish.
 * Hi MadonnaFan, yes please put the links here if you can. — IB [ Poke ] 09:55, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Cedric :). For the shows in London, Philadelphia, New York City, East Rutherford and Washington D.C., here is the link; for the Boston show, here; for Sunrise, Atlanta, Auburn Hills, Chicago, Las Vegas and Oakland, here; and for Los Angeles, here. For the Paris concert, I found this issue of Billboard (December 29, 2001). However, I couldn't find information about the concerts in Spain, Italy and Germany. Although in the pages dedicated to Madonna is the information about these concerts (Mad-eyes.net, for example), I know that they are not reliable sources for the article. I do not know where I could find the data for those three countries. I hope the links will serve you. Thanks again. MadonnaFan (talk) 23:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)=

Tour dates section
For some reason the tour dates section has two separate tables for each leg, much like a lot of pages for Madonna's tour come to think of it, and there are also two sections for canceled dates.

Other tour pages on Wikipedia are organized and have only one table, each with a gray row across to indicate legs/continents. For example, here are two pages for other 2001 concert tours: Britney Spears' Oops!... I Did It Again Tour and U2's Elevation Tour. Both of them have organized tour dates sections.

If this could be fixed, along with having only one section for canceled dates, it would make the page much easier to read. Also, consider the same for the rest of Madonna's tour articles.