Talk:Dumpling/Archive 1

Merge?
A user has suggested that a specific kind of dumpling be merged into this article. I would point out that several other types have there own articles already adn oppose this merge. Rmhermen 22:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge.
I would argue that Karanji will likely never grow to be more than a stub. I vote to merge and add a comment in the discussion section that, if a considerable amount of additional information is found, it should become a separate article. --67.140.54.241 02:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced
I added the "unreferenced" tag to this article because it does not have a single reference. There are many assertions of fact here that need to be supported by a reference. Also, there are sentences which are not really written in encyclopedic tone. An example is:
 * Savoury dumplings made from balls of dough are part of traditional British cuisine, and make up a filling meal in winter.

It's a lovely sentence for a cook-book as it conjures up a nice image of sitting by a roaring fire, with snow falling outside... but it is not really relevant to an encyclopedia. Surely the dumplings are just as filling in the summer? I'm no expert on dumplings, so I trust that more regular contributors to this article will be able to provide some references and clean-up far more easily that I. Johntex\talk 16:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been almost a year now. I'm tempted to put this article up for deletion. Shinobu (talk) 17:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
I have added a clean up tag for more or less the same reasons the unreferenced tag is on the article. Leaderofearth 09:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Merge
The german word Klöße is exactly the same as the english word dumpling, there is no difference at all. So you should merge that article about german dumplings with this article, there is no reason für a separate article. Dinah from Germany --217.87.231.25 (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree. That article stands well on its own.  Sure it could do with expansion, but it should stay.  Gh5046 (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Dumpling vs Pie
What is the difference between a dumpling and a pie? My understanding is that a pie is baked and dumpling is boiled. Should the distinction be reflected in the article? --GS 14:12, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There are other distinctions. For example, a pie is always constructed of a crust and a filling, while many dumplings are either pure dough, or have the filling mixed fairly evenly throughout the dough. Haeleth 20:22, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

I have to say that dumplings can be baked sometimes, as to achieve a crispiness, rather than the usual softness. 20:22, March 22, 2006 (GMT)

However, if you read the article, the common content and dough form of a dumbling is different to that of a pie. For example, you get steak and kidney pie yet you do not get a dumpling filled with this same matter. Dumblings are more centralized around vegetables than pies, although they do often contain both.(from EBD)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.185.125 (talk) 16:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

American
Surely there must be dunplings eaten in the Americas besides the USA? —DIV (138.194.11.244 (talk) 07:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC))

Kudos to the writers
My compliments to the writers. A very diverse topic and the presentation is cohesive. An interesting read.67.167.106.3 (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

What is central Europe
its kind of inconsistent, writing about Poland in "estern european" section

here is definition of central europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe

it seems that Poland is considered "Eastern" if the division is just west-east and central if the division is west-central-east

I think there are many common dishes for Poland-Germany and Poland-Ukraine (and other eastern countries) but I guess eastern cuisine is closer that's why Poland is in "Eastern" section of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.68.92.49 (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
"However, baozi is not a type of jiaozi." But no explanation what a baozi is ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.78.13.154 (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Contradictory lead
The lead of the article is self-contradictory ([as of 24-Sep-2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dumpling&oldid=626733356]). The initial sentence is "Dumplings are cooked balls of dough" but the last sentence says they include wontons, which "resemble meatballs with a thin dough covering." A meatball with a thin dough covering is not a ball of dough. Also, of the five illustrations towards the top of the article, only one or two show what could be described as cooked balls of dough. That initial sentence appears to be wrong. Dricherby (talk) 11:03, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Jayron  32  11:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Chinese fried dumplings as the first picture
These are not representative. Americans only know those fried ones, but these are not really authentic. Why can't you have a picture of normal Jiaozi or Baozi. --2.245.254.8 (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Jiaozi would be representative of Chinese dumplings. But the word "dumpling" was long used in English before Chinese dumplings were known to English speakers. Probably whichever kind of British dumplings would be considered most authentic within Britain would be most representative for the English word. Either that or no one particular kind since the word "dumpling" covers quite a wide variation.
 * Some Chinese don't seem to like it when English speakers call baozi "dumplings" and they prefer to translate "baozi" as "bun". &mdash; Hippietrail (talk) 15:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

British and Irish dumplings
The article states that the dumplings can be eaten as a sweet with sugar. Someone has added a "citation needed" label. I have no published source, but in our family it was the tradition to eat surplus dumplings with golden syrup. (a.k.a. partially invert sugar syrup) Hope this is helpful  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.107.207 (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In my family in Melbourne, Australia in the 1970s we often had dumplings with golden syrup for dessert in winter. Our ancestors several generations back were mostly Scottish. &mdash; Hippietrail (talk) 15:31, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Picture
Do we have any better pictures of any of the national variants of dumplings beside the picture of somebody's kid that is currently featured? I know people love posting personal photos to Wikipedia, but you can hardly see the dumplings in that picture. -Pravit (talk) 19:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Nothing from South America/Mexico on here...depending on how you classify them. Tamales, for one. Both corn husk and banana leaves are used as wrappings. Empanadas... Also pasties from Cornwall, UK. OK, can't think of any others off of the top of my head.

Are there any African dumplings?

Pop Tarts?
Are Pop Tarts really considered to be dumplings in North America? A less dumpling-like food I cannot imagine, surely this is vandalism? If not my mind is truly blown and my sanity rests on a knife-edge. Stub Mandrel (talk) 21:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Dessert Dumplings
The apple pie dumpling should be taken out. Maybe make a seperate article for Dessert Dumplings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VoltairesDreamComeTrue (talk • contribs) 21:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Informal line
This is a small thing, but the sub-subject of "Chinese", the line "In China, when we talk about dumplings, we’re usually referring to boiled dumplings." seems too informal. Aside from that, there are many spelling errors such as "According to some region and harvest, seasonal ingredients can be included oyster." The formatting of the text appears just bizarre to me in general. Request for permission to edit or for it to be edited by someone with permission? Mak (talk) 08:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

(ps: sorry if this is written a little strangely, I'm new to editing and can't read the help articles correctly due to dyslexia)


 * I've given it a quick run over to knock out the worst of the problems. The whole section could do with a complete rewrite by someone who knows the subject well. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thank you! Mak (talk) 17:24, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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