Talk:Dying Fetus

Vocals
How would you classify Dying Fetus' vocals? Among "cookie-monster", I've never heard any band sing like they're burping. Some may say that "cookie-monster" vocals have no talent, but just try to sing like Dying Fetus. It's hard as shit.

I doesn't matter, its not important info, and "cookie-monster" or what ever shit isn't a real thing. It's called growling, but you could just say guttural vocals because they use a few different types.


 * It's gutturals. If you really wanna hear "burping" vocals, try listening to Cephalotripsy, Dying Fetus don't sound anything like "burpy" vocals at all. They do gutturals done right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.131.236 (talk) 11:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

right wing?
in how far did they take a step towards right-wing?
 * Just compare the lyrics from Destroy the Opposition and Stop at Nothing . - Quirk 07:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it true Dying fetus has a strong base of satanism, paganism and morbid interests in their music lyrics? Sometimes are classified as metalcore and "extreme" metal, as well there are black metal and liquid metal fans of Dying Fetus. I doubt there's a left or right-wing basis in the songs, but the far-right NSBM (Nazi-Scandivanian Black Metal) has some similarity to many death metal or grindcore/hardcore bands. --207.200.116.134 09:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

lol...NSBM means NationalSocialistBlackMetal
 * This issue needs clarification - did they step towards the right wing or did they just become less left wing? The current wording is ambiguous.

Please make sure you are under the correct impression of "Satanism." I'm not saying it's a pleasant religion, persay, but it's rather misunderstood and often used in the wrong context. Luciferian is a better term for the religion overall, I believe. Just to clarify, I'm not critisizing (spelling?) just making a statement. Cheers Carsinmotion 06:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Dying Fetus' lyrics is strongly social and political with some inclusion of scenes of violence. Black/Death/Brutal Death/Grindcore/Goregrind differ technically. Maybe just Satanic Death Metal can be referred to metal genres that got their names because of lyrics. Black is very influenced by satanism, nevertheless it obviously differ from other metal genres. No Mercy To Anyone (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Are Dying Fetus a technical band?
The article lists them as being technically proficient, yet it has them down as brutal death metal.

I think this article should be considered for deletion.

Why? Because of one small mistake in the wording? Also, why are they no longer listed as a deathgrind band? It's kind of hard to not hear the grindcore influences in Dying Fetus's music. 131.128.150.116 15:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The article could certainly use some clean up in the band description, but it doesn't warrant deletion. Fyrre 08:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I am going to edit out "Since the band's start, Dying Fetus have made a name for themselves in the death metal scene by relentless shows and vigorous touring schedules, which has seen them victoriously climb the ladder to become one of the genre's top flight outfits. The group's signature sonic brutality has already affected a generation of death metal enthusiasts, and will undoubtedly continue to inspire generations to come." as it reads like an advertisement. If anyone disagrees please feel free to revert. Fyrre 08:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, Dying Fetus is Death-Grind band, tagging them Technical band also isnt wrong, i listened to their whole discography and wrote this.

Well I guess you don't know what Deathgrind is, they definitely aren't. Brutal Truth, Napalm Death, and Terrorizer are Deathgrind. They started as a Brutal Death Metal band, but after the second cd, the music became more technical. Destroy The Opposition was Technical Brutal Death Metal, Stop At Nothing did not have much Grind influence at all, and War Of Attrition has the same style on Destroy The Opposition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.93.62 (talk) 02:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Dying Fetus Demo
Not sure if anyone cares to add to the page, but DF has a demo from 1993 called "Bathe in Entrails" that contains 6 tracks: 1 - Bathe in Entrails 2 - Nocturnal Crucifixion 3 - Wretched Flesh Consumption 4 - Grotesque Impalement 5 - Vomiting the Fetal Embryo 6 - Tearing Inside the Womb


 * Added- K @  ng  i  e meep! 05:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

gay?
Someone named NickBachman changed the intro to say that they are all homosexual. I somehow doubt this is true, if he could give some proof i'll accept that, but as for now i'm deleting it.

Man, im quite sure, that hi's a retard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.156.250 (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Albums
Somebody made them really informative! The title of the Napalm Death song and album covered by Dying Fetus is "Scum" not "Skum". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.196.195.100 (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Members
All of the members should be merged into the main article. It will be better to have 1 big, really informative page than a bunch of little, incomplete ones. Dark Executioner 14:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Genre research
Dying Fetus (USA)

1998 Killing On Adrenaline Review > 8/10 - Richard - (Death Metal/Grindcore)

2003 Stop At Nothing Review > 9,5/10 - Stephen - (Death Metal/Grindcore)

2007 War Of Attrition Review > 9/10 - Stephen - (Grindcore/Death Metal)

http://www.metal-observer.com/search.php?q=Dying+Fetus&sa.x=58&sa.y=18

Death/Grind/Hardcore

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=45

Death Metal

http://www.bnrmetal.com/groups/dyfe.htm

Death Metal

Hardcore

Metal

http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,2821.sm

Death Metal

http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band.php?band_id=93&bandname=Dying%2BFetus

Death Metal

http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/Dying_Fetus/544/

Death Metal/ Black Metal

Heavy Metal

Grindcore

Thrash

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:gxfyxqtkldse~T0

brutal death metal  death metal   grind   grindcore   hardcore   metal   seen live   technical death metal

http://www.last.fm/music/Dying+Fetus?q=Dying+Fetus

The most prominent ones are death metal and grindcore. I'll change them in the article. I think technical death metal or whatever genre isn't accurate. Kameejl (Talk) 14:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * They definitely do have some very technical guitar work, so i wouldn't say that technical death metal would be inacurate. All in all, they're a blend of Brutal Death Metal, Technical Death Metal, and Grind Death Metal.

AeturnalNarcosis (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say they fit the genre of Technical Death Metal pretty well, afterall it is possible for Brutal Death Metal and Technical Death metal to overlap.Mogthetormentor (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I really don't know why this band would be more technical than, lets say, Deicide or Cannibal Corpse. You just need sources... Kameejl (Talk) 02:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Because they fit the description that wikipedia has for Technical Death metal, and for sources, how are these?

http://www.metaljudgment.com/albums/dyingfetus_opposition.html

http://extreemmetaal.nl/dying-fetus-amerika/

That enough to keep them as Technical Death Metal or do we need more?Mogthetormentor (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Those sources are probably good enough. Go ahead and add technical death metal.


 * Just out of interest: I've never thought they are technical or progressive. I'm a great fan of the genre and I've seen Dying Fetus play live. For all I know they play fast and brutal metal that is more related to Cannibal Corpse than to Spawn of Possession or Cynic. Is there a Dying Fetus song you could advice me to listen to? A song that displays all their technical skills? Thanks! Kameejl (Talk) 14:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd recomend Homicidal Retribution from War of Attrition, it gets pretty technical near the middle. That or Fate of the condemned from the same album, those are the two songs that I can think of right now that show their technical skills pretty well. And I'll go ahead and add technical death metal thenMogthetormentor (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

the are clearly deathcore so have added this Syxxpackid420 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC).

Sean Beasley
I removed the line "Beasley is considered the best bassist of Brutal Metal in the USA ever."

It's an unacceptably POV statement and there is no citation to back up the claim that he is "considered" the best bassist of "brutal metal" in the USA ever. Who considers him the greatest? Just because one person thinks of him as the greatest bassist ever doesn't mean they can just throw that in and claim he's considered to be the best, like it's some widely-held opinion in the metal community.

No disrespect to Mr. Beasley, of course, he's a great musician, but that kind of statement doesn't belong in an encyclopedia entry. Pw33n (talk) 17:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics
Why is "pseudo"-political? Their texts contains commentary of social problems and definitely political themes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.47.56 (talk) 11:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

GA possibility
I am going to try to get this article up to GA (good article) status. Anyone w/ reliable sources and good info, are welcome to help out! Dark Executioner (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hardcore?
How come Hardcore Punk is put in the genre box for this band? A few breakdowns doesn't make you a punk band, plus Hardcore hasn't been put as a genre for any of there albums or eps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.122.190 (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Nothing hardcore here, just straight death metal. reversed inacturate information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.250.125.204 (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the below discussion for why your edits are unhelpful. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I second this. There are definitely hardcore influences, but I wouldn't call Dying Fetus a hardcore band. That's like calling Death a Thrash Metal band.--Sandrock86 (talk) 03:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Dying fetus is definitely not a hardcore band. The citation linking to this leads to a page with no info supporting this claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.121.245.55 (talk) 04:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I just deleted it. Looked like crap with not really any information about much less claiming them to be hardcore. 71.179.24.124 (talk) 04:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

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Unless you count their cover of "Bringing Back The Glory" by Crossover-Thrash/Hardcore band "Next Step Up," (which I personally do not, as explained below) there is not a single hardcore/punk element to this band's music. They are pure death metal.

Dying Fetus' music uses incredibly complex movements and structures that incorporate each instrument into the overall rhythmics, on a backbone of smooth-transitioning harmonics and balanced compositions; their equipment is well tuned and their production is clean, crisp, and highly meticulous; they bear the elements of classically trained musicians, and clearly regard their music as a form of art.

Punk, including hardcore, of which they now stand accused, is chaotic and disorganised with random tempo shifts and poorly composed structures, performed with out-dated (and sometimes purposely broken) equipment and produced with little regard to sound quality; punk/hardcore is sloppy music, and is so purposely (remember, if a punk band produces a clear, crisp album with well organised riffs, tempos, structures, and beats, they are criticised by their fans as being rockstars).

Dying Fetus is not in any way, shape, or form a punk rock band.

AeturnalNarcosis (talk) 13:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

So if we're all agreed that hardcore does not belong in the genre box why does someone keep on adding it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.122.115 (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no "agreement". There is a reliable source, so it stays. The only counter argument to date is editor "opinion". This is not a forum... find a source or you may as well not bother commenting here, as personal opinions are of no worth at all. Removal of sourced material will be regarded as vandalism. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the "hardcore genre" misinformation again because it is not valid. Dying Fetus is not a hardcore band.
 * 1. They have no elements of hardcore punk in their music. none.  whatsoever.
 * 2. Dying Fetus' MySpace page, made by the band themselves, refers to thewm only as being Death Metal.
 * 3. MusicMight is not necessarily a reliable source: they call Kataklysm black metal and In Flames Thrash Metal.
 * AeturnalNarcosis (talk) 12:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Further references added to back up the hardcore influences bit. There's a couple of points you should bear in mind in future... firstly, what genre a band describes themselves as is totally irrelevant. If it were relevant, we'd be calling Macabre "murder metal", HIM "love metal" and Leng Tch'e "razorgrind". The only useful sources for genre are from professional journalists. Secondly (and this is rather irrelevant, given that sources have been provided to the contrary), if Dying Fetus have no hardcore influences whatsoever, why did they cover Integrity? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:41, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Entertainingly, although the artist's personal opinion regarding genre is irrelevant to genre boxes on Wikipedia, it's worth noting that the band's bio page on their official website contains the following the sentence: "The band is recognized worldwide as a prime example of songwriting perfection, combining an innovative mix of technical virtuosity and catchy song structures to create the ultimate blend of death metal, hardcore and grind." That rather puts the lie to statements that the band don't regard themselves as having hardcore elements :-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

"::3. MusicMight is not necessarily a reliable source: they call Kataklysm black metal and In Flames Thrash Metal." So we should remove the Death metal as well because it's from the same source... ӣicҟin \\ talk with me \\ \\\\\\\\ 16:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand what is meant by reliable on Wikipedia; it is a "reliable source" in the sense that it has been published by an independent third-party source (e.g. Cherry Red Books). It therefore stays and anyone that wanted to argue for In Flames being "thrash metal" would have a pretty good case. The arguments presented above boil down to nothing more than the editor's personal POV. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I see my edit was reverted and after reviewing the source I have no contentions about it. For some reason the site wasn't loading the relevent parts when I first clicked it but it's working now and it does indeed support the hardcore claim. My bad. =/ 71.179.24.124 (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Having read through all the references, none of them seem to actually say that Dying Fetus is anything other than hardcore influenced Death Metal, as opposed to being both a Hardcore and Death Metal band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.128.238.199 (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC) surely this band is deathcore even though they are old they are cool enough to be Syxxpackid420 (talk) 18:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

2008+
Didn't Mike Kimball rejoin at 2008? At least that is what he writed to his personal blog: http://www.myspace.com/dyingfetusmike 87.94.95.37 (talk) 01:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

If this is true the group is now including John Gallagher, Sean Beasley, Trey Williams & Mike Kimball.

not punk
yeah, these guys are not punk at all. straight death metal, lads... give it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.7.39 (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, not deathcore either (obviously). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.3.132 (talk) 19:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

History section titles
I've noticed this band's sections are going by the member changes and rises to fame as ways to label which time period the history is taking place in rather than album releases. That could be a better or worse thing compared to other band articles, I'm kind of seeing it as it as maybe something for more dedicated fans to index themselves into the page for, but something harder for people that just heard of Fetus to navigate into. • GunMetal Angel  19:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

New Album
Dying Fetus confirmed via their Facebook about 20 minutes ago that they are working on a new album. 74.107.110.196 (talk) 01:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Genres in infobox
Death metal is the most sourced genre in the musical style section. So why isn’t it in the infobox?  ~SML  •  TP  20:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)